[Vision2020] Is John Calvin an Intolerista?

[Art Deco]

Neither Michael nor Donvan apparently understand the problem created by:

"Is X good because God says so or does God says so because X is 
(intrinsically) good."

The first extant extended discussion of this dilemma occurred in Plato's 
dialogue

Euthyphro  http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/euthyfro.html

Anthony Flew is one modern philosopher who has talked about this dilemma.

If Donovan, Michael, or anyone else wish to gain some insight into this 
problem, then they should first read and understand what transpires in 
Euthyphro.

After that, they may wish to read some of Anthony Flew's many remarks on 
this subject.

To find such remarks, Google:

Euthyphro  "anthony flew"


Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
deco at moscow.com




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: "Michael" <metzler at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Is John Calvin an Intolerista?


> "X is good because God says so and God says so because
> X is intrinsically good.  Seems like one just comes
> along with the other with an eternal Trinity.  Right?"
> --- Michael Metzler
>
> Well put Michael. Many do not get they are the same.
> All things obedient to God's will are good, and things
> against it are evil. Good cannot go against God's will
> by definition of the term "Good". Wayne's question is
> like asking us to draw two parallel lines that
> intersect or to describe a circle that has a radius
> greater than its circumference.
>
> --DJA
>
>
>> Wayne Wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> "you have ignored the problem discussed by Plato and
>> recently discussed on
>> this forum:
>>
>>
>>
>> Is X good merely because god says so or does god say
>> so because X is
>> (intrinsically) good?
>>
>>
>>
>> W. T. Jones also discusses this problem in his
>> chapters on Plato."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Me:
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a good example of how the Classical
>> Christian God is a good way to
>> address the more general problems of any god-x.  X
>> is good because God says
>> so and God says so because X is intrinsically good.
>> Seems like one just
>> comes along with the other with an eternal Trinity.
>> Right?
>>
>>
>>
>> --Michael Metzler
>>
>>
>>
>> >
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