[Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic

Wed May 4 12:48:54 PDT 2005

"Our resident alcoholic?"  "Our resident old person?"  My ears are 
burning....                                                                  

                                                     Carl Westberg Jr.

>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
>To: Pat Kraut <pkraut at moscow.com>, vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
>Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 12:16:40 -0700 (PDT)
>
>"Donovan: I thought the reference to Doug and this
>illness was most appropriate."--Pat Kraut
>
>"our resident schizophrenic"????
>
>You think that is appropriate terminology? Does every
>community have a designated schizophrenic Pat? Sorry
>Pat, I disagree. I would disagree if someone said our
>resident alcoholic, or our resident old person, or
>anything of this nature. If someone said, "I think
>this person is schizophrenic", that would be
>different.
>
>Take Care,
>
>Donovan J Arnold
>
>
>--- Pat Kraut <pkpkrautomoscowom> wrote:
>
> > Donovan: I thought the reference to Doug and this
> > illness was most
> > appropriate. He was very delusional and paranoid
> > about certain groups and
> > the government. His posts and what I know of him
> > away from vision 2020 fit
> > very well in this diagnosis. Yes, way too many
> > people think it is some sort
> > of split personality because this was the term many
> > years ago but that is
> > now called bi-polar. I am well aware of
> > Schizophrenia and what it does to
> > families and I am also somewhat aware of Doug's
> > problems. He was very ill
> > and I am sure that his family is struggling. Thanks
> > for the lesson.
> > PK
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Donovan Arnold"
> > <dodonovanjarnold05 at yahoo.com>
> > To: <jojoanopyraearthlinket>;
> > <vision2020 at momoscowom>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:06 AM
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic
> >
> >
> > "who was once our resident schizophrenic."--Joan
> > OpOpyr>
> > This is the third time in the last few months that I
> > have heard the term "schizophrenic" used in a
> > derogatory manner.
> >
> > Let me explain something to people that do this and
> > obviously do not know people struggling with it.
> > Schizophrenia is a REAL mental illness. It has
> > nothing
> > to do with split personality. Nor does it strike
> > people because they are bad people. It is caused by
> > the slow deterioration of parts of the brain. There
> > is
> > no cure for it. It is a mental illness that is very
> > challenging to those that have it.
> >
> > Many thousands of families have to deal with the
> > pain
> > and mental anguish of watching someone close to them
> > get worse and worse and not being able to do
> > anything
> > about it. It is even worse when you watch it in
> > children and young adults.
> >
> > I do not care your background, education, or
> > experience. When you use the term schizophrenic in a
> > derogatory and offense term you are hurting more
> > then
> > just the person you are targeting and publicly
> > humiliating many people with a real disability that
> > is
> > life threatening and challenging.
> >
> > I ask that people to please STOP doing this.
> >
> > Take Care,
> >
> > Donovan J Arnold
> >
> >
> >
> > --- "jojoanopyraearthlinket"
> > <jojoanopyraearthlinket>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ladies and Gentlemen of Vision 2020,
> > >
> > > Those of us who have been on this list for a few
> > > years will remember poor Doug StStamblerwho was
> > once
> > > our resident schizophrenic.  Mr. StStamblerosted
> > > ten, twenty, or thirty times per day --
> > incoherent,
> > > rambling, paranoid conspiracy theories.  He saw
> > all;
> > > he knew all; he could predict all.  (He was also
> > > heavy with the libel and the capitalization.)
> > There
> > > was no reasoning with Doug StStamblerand no
> > > reasonable conversation was possible either with
> > him
> > > or around him.  LILIke drunk on a city bus, he
> > spent
> > > all day every day vomiting on the regular
> > commuters.
> > >  In short, he was hopelessly disruptive.  Those of
> > > us who got the wise idea of adding him to our
> > "block
> > > sender" lists soon found that Mr. StStamblerad
> > > bypassed them by changing his email addresses
> > > rapidly and at random.  The question soon arose of
> > > what to do: should he barred from Vision 2020?
> > And
> > > if so, by whom?
> > >
> > > In the end, we decided as one (though Mr.
>StStambler> > was frankly many) to ignore him.
> > >
> > > It is now clear that we have not one but two new
> > > Doug StStamblersn Vision 2020.  I intend from here
> > > on out to ignore them.  When they change their
> > email
> > > addresses, I'll simply update my block sender
> > list.
> > > I will not respond to their posts; I will not be
> > > provoked.  I can only recommend that my fellow
> > > Visionaries do the same.  Don't feed a stray dog
> > if
> > > you want it to go away.
> > >
> > > 'Ere long we will again have productive
> > > conversations on this list.  As soon as I regain
> > my
> > > own equilibrium, I intend to be part of them.  In
> > > the meantime, I'll reminisce about the time Crazy
> > > Charlie barfed into my Aunt Colleen's pocketbook
> > on
> > > a Capital Area Transit Bus in Raleigh, North
> > > Carolina.  Sic transit glgloria
> > >
> > > Joan OpOpyruntie Establishment
> > > wwwwwuntie-establishment >
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