[Vision2020] Re: Right to Speak.......list ofreligiousorganizations at WSU f

[Donovan Arnold]

"In fact, a disclaimer should be required on promotion of any outside group 
leasing UI facilities events that the event does not represent the views or 
polices of the UI." Wayne Fox.

That is a given. What sane rational human thinks that the University 
promotes the views of Janet Reno, Theresa Heinz, Justice Scalia, Bill Cosby, 
Jackass, and the RV road show?

Take Care,

Donovan J Arnold

>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Right to Speak.......list 
>ofreligiousorganizations at WSU for J. Ford
>Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:07:22 -0800
>
>Kai, et al,
>
>The issue is not whether religious organizations are allowed on campus and 
>allowed to present, argue, and proselytize for their views.  Clearly they 
>are and to deny them this right would be abominable.
>
>Most of the clubs you list are UI recognized (sanctioned?) clubs not 
>dissimilar any other student club.  The CCC also has such a club called the 
>Collegiate Deformed Evangelicals or something like that.
>
>The content of these organizations views are not subject to regulation 
>except by the general "shall not advocate the violent overthrow of the 
>government" rules.
>
>However, they are governed by rules and polices set by the university.
>
>Further, the CCC itself is not a UI student (or faculty/staff) 
>organization. They are allowed to rent UI facilities under BOE policies, 
>just like any other outside (non-UI) organization such as the Americans for 
>Fairer Bowling, Grecian Left-Handed Taxidermists, or the Aryan Nations.
>
>The questions which several (but not all) posters have raised is this:  Is 
>the proposed jamboree/dog and pony show (where in the end the attendees get 
>screwed, not the pony) by the CCC allowed by the BOE policies?  Did the CCC 
>receive any special treatment in the pursuit and execution of their lease 
>agreement?
>
>A clear answer to the first of these questions is a little difficult 
>because language is plastic and the interpretation of policies can vary by 
>person. The answer to the second of these questions is more factual and 
>subject to a little in-depth investigation (which you as a fourth estater 
>might be interested in doing).
>
>
>Almost all on this list agree that the content of the CCC's message, as 
>hateful as it may be, should not, by itself, be a deciding factor in 
>allowing a lease.
>
>However, the content of the CCC's message (racism, sexism, homophobia, 
>anti-democracy, etc.) does conflict with the university's statutory 
>obligations as an equal opportunity institution (not that they always pay 
>attention to this).  Hence, even if the CCC meets the leasing policy, then, 
>as Rose suggests, there ought be a mandatory disclaimer required on all 
>promotion for this event.  In fact, a disclaimer should be required on 
>promotion of any outside group leasing UI facilities events that the event 
>does not represent the views or polices of the UI.
>
>
>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>deco at moscow.com
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Kai Eiselein" <fotopro63 at hotmail.com>
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:43 PM
>Subject: [Vision2020] Re: Right to Speak.......list of 
>religiousorganizations at WSU for J. Ford
>
>
>>Muslim Student Association
>>Jewish Student Organization
>>Campus Christian Fellowship
>>Campus Crusade for Christ
>>Christians on Campus
>>Common Ministry
>>Adventist Christian Fellowship
>>
>>I'm sure there are more, but I found these on a quick search of the WSU 
>>website. If they allow these groups on campus (and at least two have WSU 
>>websites), then it seems they should allow others the same consideration.
>>I'm sure UI has some of the same groups, so the whole no religion on 
>>campus argument seems rather...ummm.... holey.
>>Separation of church and state? Is that in the Constitution? If so, where?
>>
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In fact, a disclaimer should be required on promotion of any outside group 
leasing UI facilities events that the event does not represent the views or 
polices of the UI.