[Vision2020] Wayne's challengeD

[Art Deco]

Donovan,

Again you libel/slander using no facts, just lies.

You claim that I am like a hate group:

"Hate groups usually share these views:
 

    * They want to limit the rights of certain groups
and separate society along racial, religious or ethnic
lines.

    * They are anitgovernment.

    * They try to silence the opposition

    * They believe in conspiracies."

It should have been clear to rational, open-minded person from my last post that I do none of these things.  

[1]    I specifically laud the rights of freedom of expression and to redress form civil/criminal grievance.  Where do I seek to separate society along any lines, except along the lines of debate and discussion?  But, I do seek to enervate the financial resources of Christ Church, just as you do to the Republican Party.  Such actions are part of freedom of expression and I might add, common sense.

[2]    I am definitely not anti-government, but I am critical of the way some of it operates.

[3]    I have not tried to silence the Christ Church Cult.  On the contrary, I have tried to encourage them to make more of their views public and engage in debate/comment.  The more the public learns about the cult, the better.

[4]    I don't believe in any hidden Christ Church conspiracies.  Their agenda and plans are quite well publicized, especially by themselves.


As usual, you have not responded to the arguments presented nor have you read or checked any of the references.  Maybe points are awarded in college debate clubs for such behavior.  In the real world Marketplace of Ideas, not always so.  In fact, such tactics in the real world, especially by political and religious leaders, often result in tragedy.


Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
deco at moscow.com





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>; "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Cc: "Nathan Alford Daily News" <alford at dnews.com>
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wayne's challengeD


> Wayne,
> 
> The Aryan Nations were not sued for their beliefs or
> religious practices. They were sued for committing
> violent acts against individuals. It had nothing to do
> with their RELIGION, it had to with forcing their
> beliefs on someone else that did not wish to
> participate.
> 
> They have every right to practice their faith, values,
> and beliefs just as any other religion. 
> 
> However, they cannot force their religion on another
> person against their will. This rule applies to every
> religion. 
> 
> Christ Church is not pulling people out their cars and
> smashing their faces into the gravel by force with a
> shot gun to the back of their head. They are not
> saying, "Take the law into your own hands and kill a
> Jew." They are not shooting at Gays with a shotgun in
> downtown Spokane. They are not dragging minorities
> into the woods and beating them up. They are not
> hanging Black people in the arboretum. It is just is
> not happening Mr. Fox! That is what the 12 members of
> the Aryan Nations members were doing. 
> 
> You just as easily fit into the definition of a hate
> group as Christ Church according to the definition of
> your referenced website:
> 
> http://www.riskmgtonline.com/rmci_hatecrimes.html 
> 
> "Hate groups usually share these views:
> 
> 
>    * They want to limit the rights of certain groups
> and separate society along racial, religious or ethnic
> lines.
> 
>    * They are anitgovernment.
> 
>    * They try to silence the opposition
> 
>    * They believe in conspiracies."
> 
> Douglas Stambler would be proud that you finally see
> things his way, Mr.Fox.
> 
> Donovan J Arnold
> 
> 
> 
> 
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