[Vision2020] $17, 160 = $3, 000 according to Lund's math (Kibbie Dome rental)

Thu Jun 16 19:45:51 PDT 2005

Visioneers,

Saundra Lund made false accusations against members of
our community. Hoping to uncover a conspiracy only
taking place in her head;

First, Saundra stated it will cost CCers only $3000 to
rent the facility: 

“According to the contract, the Christ Church Trinity
Festival is paying a mere $3000 to rent the Kibbie
Dome for four days (8 AM  8/7 to 8 PM 8/10/05), which
amounts to only $750 per day.”

(http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-March/015104.html)

Second, she then claimed it will cost CCers only
$6,300 to rent the facility:

“That $6300 rents you the Dome for four days (from 8
AM on 8/7 to 8 PM on 8/10) and includes "all lights,
access to restrooms, electricity for lights and power,
public address system and water."

(http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-March/015168.html)

Third, when Nate Wilson, planner of the event, emails
to say that the entire event will cost more than
$6,000 and many times that:

 “Seriously, our actual costs are much higher than six
thousand. In fact, as a little hint, the amount we pay
at the end of our Festival will most likely be a
multiple of the figure Saundra mentioned.”

(http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-March/015168.html)

Saundra responded to Nate Wilson, in a childish fit of
rage, accusing him of, among other things, lying:

“Seriously, I find your hubris offensive.  I think
ideas such as truth and honesty are much more valuable
and helpful than all this smoke you're trying to blow,
Nate.  In fact, as a Christian, I'm very saddened that
you think it perfectly acceptable to be dishonest, as
your post below shows.  The ends justify the means,
huh, Nate, even if it means continuing to deceive our
community.”

Who is blowing the smoke and lying here? Think of Nate
Wilson as you want. However, he did not lie in his
email. He stated that the event would cost many more
times the amount quoted ($6000). Mr. Hansen’s (I know
not usually a reliable source) website shows what
CCers will be paying $17,160 just for the use of the
Kibbie Dome, much more than $6,000 as Nate Wilson
stated.

http://www.tomandrodna.com/tf2k5/financial_estimate_052604.htm

Saundra Lund originally said that it would cost $3000
CCers to rent the facility. It is not. It is costing
them about $17,106. She owes CCers, and especially
Nate Wilson an apology. It is the Christian thing to
do, as you claim to be, Ms. Lund. 

I hope this brings an end to the “accuse now and hope
we can find some evidence later on to back it up”
mentality. But I will not hold my breath. 

Donovan J Arnold

--- Saundra Lund <sslund at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Might I also note that the $17,160 is far more in
> cost than H/L had stated
> CCers were paying several months ago (I think it was
> like $4000)."
> 
> As the L part of H/L, I'm afraid I have to clutter
> the discussion with fact
> <gasp>:  Donovan's recollection is just plain wrong
> because the earlier
> discussions pertained *only* to facility (Kibbie
> Dome) rental.  I
> specifically *didn't* go into all the other
> associated costs because those,
> of course, will vary from event to event depending
> on what's involved &
> contracted for.
> 
> In any case, for those interested in the facts:
>
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-March/015104.html
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Saundra Lund
> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2005 2:52 PM
> To: 'Donovan Arnold'; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] What in the world?
> 
> Sorry for the delay, but on 3/16/2005, Donavan
> Arnold wrote:
> "When I was in the student government (ASUI) at UI,
> we charged $10,000 for
> non-student organizations to use the ASUI Kibbie
> Dome. That money raised is
> used to support the Kibbie Dome and make it cheaper
> for student activities
> and events to take place in the Kibbie Dome."
> 
> Wow, prices must have plummeted since then! 
> Donavan, do you mind sharing
> with us when you were in student government and for
> what period of time that
> $10,000 rental would have covered?
> 
> According to the contract, the Christ Church Trinity
> Festival is paying a
> mere $3000 to rent the Kibbie Dome for four days (8
> AM  8/7 to 8 PM
> 8/10/05), which amounts to only $750 per day.  Even
> including the associated
> costs ($1500 set-up/load-in; $1000 breakdown; $800
> maintenance/custodian),
> the total facility rental is only $6300,
> significantly less than what the
> ASUI charged when you were there.
> 
> Does anyone have any idea of why the cost has come
> down so much?
> 
> Sheesh -- I sure wish (as I'm sure do the students)
> the costs of other
> things on campus would have similarly decreased!
> 
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
> __________
> 
> See also:
>
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-March/015108.html
>
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-March/015168.html
> 
> For those who want to see the actual contract,
> please see:
>
http://www.tomandrodna.com/TF2K5/Documents/Contract%20110304.pdf
> The facility rental amount that Donovan Arnold
> earlier didn't believe is
> right there on page one for God and everyone else to
> see.
> 
> 
> HTH,
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
> 
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is
> for good people to do
> nothing.
> Edmund Burke
> 
> ***** Original material contained herein is
> Copyright 2005, Saundra Lund.
> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
> the Vision 2020 forum
> without the express written permission of the
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> 
> 
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