[Vision2020] What in the world?

[Saundra Lund]

Hi Donovan,

Thanks for sharing your experience.

You wrote:
 "I do not think that $6,300 for four days use of the Kibbie Dome, including
all fees, food, and insurance, would be covered or even result in breaking
even for the University.  So I think your numbers are incorrect."

So sorry, but my figures *are* correct according to the signed contract:

"Facility Rental:		$3000
Set-up/Load-In:		$1500
Breakdown:		$1000
Maintenance/Custodian	$ 800
___________________________
TOTAL			$6300"


Food, of course, is *not* included in that price -- the conference attendees
are responsible for that expense, a decision made by which is typical of
larger conferences, unless it's built into the registration fee (which, in
this case, would be set and collected by the permittee).  In looking at the
Trinity Festival's web site, you'll see meals are *not* included .  However,
the contract does provide for the following:
"5.  FOOD SERVICE:

The University offers meals in the Wallace Food Court:  as described below
at the indicated cost for all participants staying at the LLC.  Event
participants who are not staying on campus may also take advantage of a
complete or partial meal package at a discounted rate from the cash prices
as outlined below . . . 
Catered Events:
University Dining Services will open a concession stand on the east
concourse of the Kibbie Dome for Event participants during the event.
Estimated expenses . . . shall be provided to Permittee no later than March
2006."  [sic]

Nor is insurance included -- the State of ID & the Regents of the University
of Idaho require liability insurance be provided by the permittee for
"private events/conferences/camps held on campus."

So, I ask the question (again):  how/why has the cost of renting the Kibbie
Dome apparently decreased so much in the past five years?


Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
Edmund Burke


-----Original Message-----
From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanarnold at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2005 4:32 PM
To: sslund at adelphia.net; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] What in the world?

Saundra,

If Christ Church is in fact only paying $6,300 total for four days, you make
some good points that should raise concern for everyone.  I know when I was
on the ASUI Activities Board that funded student organizations, they were
going to charge the Native American Student Association $10,000 to use the
Kibbie Dome for there Pow Wow.

I was not given the breakdown for the event, how many days, use of facility,
clean up, food, services, set-up, break down, insurance, etc. I would
imagine these factors would play a big part in the amount charged.

I do not think that $6,300 for four days use of the Kibbie Dome, including
all fees, food, and insurance, would be covered or even result in breaking
even for the University.  So I think your numbers are incorrect. The
University would have to be charging somewhere else to make up for the loss
(like food) or some costs and services are being provided by Christ Church
and not the University.  I would also imagine continued use of the facility
would lower the costs as well. If you are using it for several days you do
not need to clean, set up, and break down everyday, just once, lowering your
per day cost. Also, if the event is open to the public or a closed event can
impact the costs of operation in the Kibbie Dome. I would imagine insurance,
liability, and operation costs would differ on an event with 5,000 visitors
paying $5 or nothing to enter, verses and event with just 500 paying $150 to
get in the door. What would you think?

I will talk to Mark Miller and Greg Tatham, and people with the Activities
Board to confirm what is being done different from student clubs and
organizations as opposed to Christ Church. It should not be that difficult
to find this stuff out.

However, I do know two things for fact. First, they were going to charge the
Native American Student Association $10,000 for the use of the Kibbie Dome
in 2000 when I was a board member. I remember that number so clearly because
the POW WOW was something we funded at North Idaho College and I was mad
they were being charged that much. The NIC administration gave free use of
the facilities for the POW WOW there.  And second, we, meaning me and (then
ASUI Senator) Bob Ubellher got the University to lower the price for student
groups to use the Kibbie Dome because $10,000 was beyond student reach. I
have no clue what the charge is now, five years later, or how they break
down that amount to the renter of the facility.
If you doubt that the students are charged more than $6,300 to use the
Kibbie Dome, contact the Loretta Spaulding, President of the Native American
Student Association and ask her yourself.
spau3065 at uidaho.edu

Take Care,

Donovan J Arnold


>From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
>To: "'Donovan Arnold'" <donovanarnold at hotmail.com>,<vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] What in the world?
>Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:51:47 -0800
>
>Sorry for the delay, but on 3/16/2005, Donavan Arnold wrote:
>"When I was in the student government (ASUI) at UI, we charged $10,000 for
>non-student organizations to use the ASUI Kibbie Dome. That money raised is
>used to support the Kibbie Dome and make it cheaper for student activities
>and events to take place in the Kibbie Dome."
>
>Wow, prices must have plummeted since then!  Donavan, do you mind sharing
>with us when you were in student government and for what period of time 
>that
>$10,000 rental would have covered?
>
>According to the contract, the Christ Church Trinity Festival is paying a
>mere $3000 to rent the Kibbie Dome for four days (8 AM  8/7 to 8 PM
>8/10/05), which amounts to only $750 per day.  Even including the 
>associated
>costs ($1500 set-up/load-in; $1000 breakdown; $800 maintenance/custodian),
>the total facility rental is only $6300, significantly less than what the
>ASUI charged when you were there.
>
>Does anyone have any idea of why the cost has come down so much?
>
>Sheesh -- I sure wish (as I'm sure do the students) the costs of other
>things on campus would have similarly decreased!
>
>
>Saundra Lund
>Moscow, ID
>
>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
>nothing.
>Edmund Burke
>
>