[Vision2020] Moscow is Being Used - Yeah,
but by whom is thetrue question
Art Deco
deco at moscow.com
Thu Jul 7 16:31:10 PDT 2005
Donovan wrote:
"I am confused."
At last! Something we can all agree upon.
Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
deco at moscow.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: "J Ford" <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:26 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Moscow is Being Used - Yeah,but by whom is thetrue
question
>J Ford wrote, "The WHOLE Bible needs to be read as a
> WHOLE, not just parts that say what you want it to."
>
> You mean like Joel Plaskon did with the City Zoning
> Code but you want for fired doing so?
>
> I am confused. Do you take the law as a whole, or as
> little parts? Or do we pick and choose how we read the
> law based on if and how it effects our friends and
> those we dislike or disagree with?
>
> Donovan J Arnold
>
>
> --- J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, you need to try reading that enrire chapter.
>>
>> Deborah was a prophetis and a "judge of Israel" and
>> at the time of this
>> particular passage, "And she would sit under the
>> palm tree of Deborah
>> between Ramah and Bethel in the mountains of
>> Ephraim. And the children of
>> Israel came up to her for judgement." (Judges 4:5)
>>
>> She states to Israel what was going to happen at
>> God's hand in regards to a
>> battle with Sisera (a MALE leader, BTW) and how
>> Sisera will be delivered up
>> to Israel: "Up! For this is the day in which the
>> Lord has delivered Sisera
>> into your hand. Has not the Lord gone out before
>> you?" (Judges 4:14) The
>> passage clearly states Barak's resistance to go into
>> battle without Deborah;
>> she goes with him but it was not what God had wanted
>> to have happen - and
>> not because she was a woman.
>>
>> To end that chapter of the Bible, Israel won the
>> battle and Israel "rested
>> for forty years" afterwards...with Deborah in their
>> midst. In fact, "Then
>> Deborah and Barak sang on that day." (Judges 5:1)
>>
>> The WHOLE Bible needs to be read as a WHOLE, not
>> just parts that say what
>> you want it to.
>>
>> J ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: "New man" <1564_2 at mail.com>
>> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Moscow is Being Used -
>> Yeah, but by whom is
>> >thetrue question
>> >Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 02:22:50 -0500
>> >
>> >JFord,
>> >
>> >You seem to think there is something wrong with
>> promoting men to
>> >positions of leadership, as opposed to women. You
>> should consider
>> >Deborah, in the Bible:
>> >
>> >"And she said, I will surely go with thee:
>> notwithstanding the journey
>> >that thou takest shall not be for thine honour; for
>> the LORD shall sell
>> >Sisera into the hand of a woman. And Deborah arose,
>> and went with Barak
>> >to Kedesh" (Judges 4:9).
>> >
>> >Deborah knew that being led by a woman was
>> something to be ashamed of,
>> >even though she was a woman.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "J Ford"
>> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Moscow is Being Used -
>> Yeah, but by whom is
>> > the true question
>> > Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:28:13 -0700
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Not sure who you think is listening, but
>> obviously you don't listen
>> > > very well. Not only is Wilson elbow deep in
>> politics, he is
>> > > encouraging and promoting members of CC to get
>> into the political
>> > > arena in Moscow. Paul Kimmell is a prime
>> example of Doug
>> > > supporting the political ambitions of his men
>> CC members.
>> > >
>> > > Maybe what you meant is that he is not
>> encouraging everyone in CC
>> > > to join the political field - he does seem to
>> be continuing to
>> > > groom certain men vs. others.
>> > >
>> > > And your name is GOD is it? that you can
>> declare someone a
>> > > God-hater as well as irreligious? People can
>> and do disagree on
>> > > many things including God's will, but that
>> does not mean they hate
>> > > God or are not faithful to Him. Calling
>> someone a God hater
>> > > without knowing them in person is
>> irresponsible and risky.
>> > >
>> > > Innocents are those free of blame, guiltless,
>> above suspicion, in
>> > > the clear, etc. Since Adam and Eve were the
>> originators of sin and
>> > > our sin comes from them, we - none of us - are
>> guiltless or "in the
>> > > clear...including you and Doug W.
>> > >
>> > > Seems to me being intolerant can and does flow
>> in two directions.
>> > >
>> > > J ;)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > From: "the man" <1564 at mail.com>
>> > > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > > > Subject: [Vision2020] Moscow is Being Used
>> > > > Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:16:07 -0500
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Citizens of Moscow,
>> > > >
>> > > > Some people revile Pastor Doug Wilson for
>> encouraging us to stay
>> > out of
>> > > > politics. They don't understand: Politics
>> will never save us.
>> > > > Politics is not a panacea. This was made
>> very clear last night
>> > when our
>> > > > elected city officials decided to delay
>> fixing the zoning fiasco
>> > until
>> > > > October 1st!
>> > > >
>> > > > Moscow! Look how you're being used! Look how
>> you've become
>> > > > the instrument of persecution for a handful
>> of irreligious God
>> > haters.
>> > > >
>> > > > Moscow! Look how the intoloristas have made
>> you their weapon to
>> > strike
>> > > > the innocent!
>> > > >
>> > > > Moscow! Your children weep for your lack of
>> discernment!
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
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