[Vision2020] Moscow is Being Used - Yeah,
but by whom is thetrue question
keely emerinemix
kjajmix1 at msn.com
Thu Jul 7 16:47:55 PDT 2005
Yep, Donovan, you really nailed this one.
keely
From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Moscow is Being Used - Yeah,but by whom is thetrue
question
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:26:19 -0700 (PDT)
J Ford wrote, "The WHOLE Bible needs to be read as a
WHOLE, not just parts that say what you want it to."
You mean like Joel Plaskon did with the City Zoning
Code but you want for fired doing so?
I am confused. Do you take the law as a whole, or as
little parts? Or do we pick and choose how we read the
law based on if and how it effects our friends and
those we dislike or disagree with?
Donovan J Arnold
--- J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, you need to try reading that enrire chapter.
>
> Deborah was a prophetis and a "judge of Israel" and
> at the time of this
> particular passage, "And she would sit under the
> palm tree of Deborah
> between Ramah and Bethel in the mountains of
> Ephraim. And the children of
> Israel came up to her for judgement." (Judges 4:5)
>
> She states to Israel what was going to happen at
> God's hand in regards to a
> battle with Sisera (a MALE leader, BTW) and how
> Sisera will be delivered up
> to Israel: "Up! For this is the day in which the
> Lord has delivered Sisera
> into your hand. Has not the Lord gone out before
> you?" (Judges 4:14) The
> passage clearly states Barak's resistance to go into
> battle without Deborah;
> she goes with him but it was not what God had wanted
> to have happen - and
> not because she was a woman.
>
> To end that chapter of the Bible, Israel won the
> battle and Israel "rested
> for forty years" afterwards...with Deborah in their
> midst. In fact, "Then
> Deborah and Barak sang on that day." (Judges 5:1)
>
> The WHOLE Bible needs to be read as a WHOLE, not
> just parts that say what
> you want it to.
>
> J ;)
>
>
>
> >From: "New man" <1564_2 at mail.com>
> >To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Moscow is Being Used -
> Yeah, but by whom is
> >thetrue question
> >Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 02:22:50 -0500
> >
> >JFord,
> >
> >You seem to think there is something wrong with
> promoting men to
> >positions of leadership, as opposed to women. You
> should consider
> >Deborah, in the Bible:
> >
> >"And she said, I will surely go with thee:
> notwithstanding the journey
> >that thou takest shall not be for thine honour; for
> the LORD shall sell
> >Sisera into the hand of a woman. And Deborah arose,
> and went with Barak
> >to Kedesh" (Judges 4:9).
> >
> >Deborah knew that being led by a woman was
> something to be ashamed of,
> >even though she was a woman.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "J Ford"
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Moscow is Being Used -
> Yeah, but by whom is
> > the true question
> > Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:28:13 -0700
> >
> > >
> > > Not sure who you think is listening, but
> obviously you don't listen
> > > very well. Not only is Wilson elbow deep in
> politics, he is
> > > encouraging and promoting members of CC to get
> into the political
> > > arena in Moscow. Paul Kimmell is a prime
> example of Doug
> > > supporting the political ambitions of his men
> CC members.
> > >
> > > Maybe what you meant is that he is not
> encouraging everyone in CC
> > > to join the political field - he does seem to
> be continuing to
> > > groom certain men vs. others.
> > >
> > > And your name is GOD is it? that you can
> declare someone a
> > > God-hater as well as irreligious? People can
> and do disagree on
> > > many things including God's will, but that
> does not mean they hate
> > > God or are not faithful to Him. Calling
> someone a God hater
> > > without knowing them in person is
> irresponsible and risky.
> > >
> > > Innocents are those free of blame, guiltless,
> above suspicion, in
> > > the clear, etc. Since Adam and Eve were the
> originators of sin and
> > > our sin comes from them, we - none of us - are
> guiltless or "in the
> > > clear...including you and Doug W.
> > >
> > > Seems to me being intolerant can and does flow
> in two directions.
> > >
> > > J ;)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: "the man" <1564 at mail.com>
> > > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > Subject: [Vision2020] Moscow is Being Used
> > > > Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 18:16:07 -0500
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Citizens of Moscow,
> > > >
> > > > Some people revile Pastor Doug Wilson for
> encouraging us to stay
> > out of
> > > > politics. They don’t understand: Politics
> will never save us.
> > > > Politics is not a panacea. This was made
> very clear last night
> > when our
> > > > elected city officials decided to delay
> fixing the zoning fiasco
> > until
> > > > October 1st!
> > > >
> > > > Moscow! Look how you’re being used! Look how
> you’ve become
> > > > the instrument of persecution for a handful
> of irreligious God
> > haters.
> > > >
> > > > Moscow! Look how the intoloristas have made
> you their weapon to
> > strike
> > > > the innocent!
> > > >
> > > > Moscow! Your children weep for your lack of
> discernment!
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
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