[Vision2020] setting the record "straight"

[Donovan Arnold]

Well Debi,

First, if you are the only person listed as the
contact for a church, and your home phone number is
also for a church, you are a representative for that
church, regardless of your official title. Your
bowling score does not reflect poorly on your church,
because it is not related. But your ethical and moral
conduct, at least in public, does reflect on the
church, because that is what a church is suppose to do
and it is expected of the person you talk to about the
church will behave appropriately and ethically.   

Second, do not flatter yourself by thinking you are
clever for being able to make personal attacks on
people, especially disabled ones. How much effort do
you think would be needed into coming up with personal
attacks on you? Trust me, it would not be hard for
anyone. People do not do it though because they have
something called "ethics" and "morals". It is a
feeling that says, "love thy neighbor", or "do not say
that, it is mean and cruel". I wish your was not
silent, especially when it can to the poor disabled
man you attacked. 

 
"Still can't figure out why you care enough to be
doing all this "research""

I did not do "all this research" on you Debi. All I
did was type your name into the Google. One site came
up, and I saw you were the contact person for your
church. It took about 1 minute. I do not care to know
anything else about you. You apparently are trying to
do lots of research on me, and I say go for it. I do
not even have a speeding ticket. 

"the Unitarians are not my religious organization."

Did I ever claim you were a member of UU. No, I did
not. However, you use the church building. 

"Meeting at the U of I doesn't make me a professor."

A church is a private building and thus is endorsing
the behavior and mission of groups that use their
building. The University, which is a public building,
has to let members of the public use it and cannot
endorse or prevent any religious group from using it
facilities unless it is for illegal purposes. So your
comparison fails flat. 

"But you really should watch that temper, Donny." 

I have a temper? Wow, thanks for letting me know. I
have been called passionate, but never a temper. Most
people with tempers have some type of violent past or
something. I have gotten angry at times, like if
someone attacks my mom or sister or something, but who
does not?

"People have heart attacks when they get so
overwrought"  

"Overwrought"? Oh, you mean "overweight". More fat
jokes. Maybe you and Mr. Hansen can get together and
come up with more. You know, Arnold was the name of
the pig on Green Acres, and my last name is Arnold, so
Mr. Hansen calls me Arnold instead of Mr. Arnold
because I am fat like a pig. Kind of mean to do that
to pigs. But go for, if making fun of people for being
overweight is a turn on, go for it, or in pigletese,
"Oink oink ooink", said Arnold.  

"and don't listen to Tom Cruise." 

When have I ever listened to Tom Cruise? I thought he
was an actor not a singer anyway.

"Pullman  Gay Mud Wrestling Club". Wow, Pullman has a
gay wresting club. We could probably make some money
off that if they use women too. 

"I don't have any person, group, or organization to
which I "report"."

Well, then from what I have seen, I see little
distinction between you and what the Nasty Nine Club
is accusing Doug Wilson of doing. 

But you know, there are clearly different standards
for the behavior of people on the far right than
people on the far, far, far, left. You clearly have
demonstrated this.

Keep up the ad hominem attacks. It not only helps the
reputation of your faith in which you represent as the
sole contact person and an elder, but it also enhances
the quality of debate and communication on Vision
2020.

Good Day,

Donovan J Arnold 






Do you think it is hard to make personal attacks on
people. Do you want to know how easy it is. 
--- debismith at moscow.com wrote:

> My, my, my. Busy little beaver, aren't you? Still
> and all, the Unitarians are not my religious 
> organization. Simply knowing people doesn't make me
> one of them, nor them responsible for 
> me, or even particularly interested in what I get up
> to. Meeting at the U of I doesn't make me a 
> professor.
> 
> I'm not a "leader" in any "church", I don't have the
> "job" of providing any kind of "example", and 
> I'm the only one who can take any action over my
> behavior. I'm fully and solely responsible for 
> believing and saying Donovan Arnold is a twit. Your
> assumptions are more than a little off 
> base, and you are fully and solely responsible for
> those. Reporting me to a National Office? 
> Oh, please.  I don't have any person, group, or
> organization to which I "report".
> 
> If, hypothetically, a friend of someone who knows
> someone tells me you are the leader of the 
> Pullman  Gay Mud Wrestling Club, and you are setting
> a bad example, should I report you to 
> the World Wrestling Federation? Enough silliness,
> already!
> 
> Still can't figure out why you care enough to be
> doing all this "research". . But you really 
> should watch that temper, Donny. People have heart
> attacks when they get so overwrought. 
> Watch your diet, get your cholsterol checked, and
> don't listen to Tom Cruise. Sometimes a 
> dose of valium is the answer.
> 
> Best to you this lovely afternoon.
> 
> Debi (setting a bad example for Deborahs around the
> world) R-S
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Date sent:      	Sat, 2 Jul 2005 09:33:48 -0700
> (PDT)
> From:           	Donovan Arnold
> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> Subject:        	Re: [Vision2020] setting the record
> "straight"
> To:             	debismith at moscow.com,
> Vision2020 at moscow.com
> 
> Visionaries,
> 
> While I do NOT have a problem with the Wicca or
> Pagan
> Faith:
> 
> "Debbie Robinson-Smith" is listed as an Elder and
> Contact Person for the only Wiccan church in Moscow,
> the Magical Coyote Coven. It is on the church
> website:
> 
>
http://www.pluralism.org/research/profiles/display.php?profile=73385
> 
> 
> "Contact Name and Title
> Debbie Robinson-Smith, elder"
> 
> I could concede the possibility that there are two
> people with the name "Deborah Robinson-Smith" in
> Moscow. But not with the same phone number, same
> church, same religion, not to mention one with only
> about 70 members.
> 
> I am sure some might buy that that. And maybe that
> could be the case in LA for a large church. But I do
> not buy it for this small town. 
> 
> 
> In addition to sending a copy of Deborah's
> despicable
> emails to leaders of her faith on the national
> level,
> I also chose to send them to the UU church because
> her
> church site states that. . .
> 
> "During the winter, when weather is unsuitable for
> an
> outdoor circle, or when the group is too large for a
> private circle, the Coven meets in the Unitarian
> Universal Church in Moscow, Idaho." 
> 
> and also:
> 
> "Affiliation with Other Communities/Organizations
> 
> loose ties with the rest of the Pagan community in
> North Idaho, strong relationship with the Universal
> Unitarian Church in Moscow"
> 
> 
> I do not have a beef with Wiccans, or any group of
> people that want to practice any faith they wish.
> 
> But I got a beef with ANYONE that is a religious
> leader of any CHURCH or FAITH, whose job it is to
> set
> the example of how to behave but goes public and
> launches personal attacks on three people in two
> emails, unprovoked attacks at that, not responses to
> ones attacking her first, and one even being on a
> disabled man not here to defend himself. If Doug
> Wilson came on here and did that we  would never
> hear
> the end of it.
> 
> I find this behavior unacceptable for any elder or
> religious leader, that is not the way moral leaders
> should behave, even if the person deserved the
> personal attacks on them and more. 
> 
> I would have simply contacted just the members of
> her
> church, which would have been more appropriate,
> instead of including another one, UU, that they work
> closely with, but Deborah is the one and only local
> contact member for her church where she is an elder.
> 
> Good Day,
> 
> Donovan J Arnold
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- debismith at moscow.com wrote:
> 
> > It was brought to my attention that Donovan Arnold
> > reported me to the Unitarians. This is akin 
> > to reporting Bill London to the American Medical
> > Association for buying bananas. The AMA 
> > would wonder why they were supposed to care. The
> > Unitarians are probably scratching their 
> > heads and saying "Huh? Who's this guy and why is
> he
> > telling us he doesn't like this woman's 
> > e-mail?". 
> > 
> > I'm not a Unitarian, though I think they are fine
> > folks. As far as I know, they don't even have 
> > "Elders". By the way, while I am getting towards
> > elderly, I'm neither old enough or important 
> > enough to be called an Elder. My Latter Day Saint
> > brothers are Elders in their church so 
> > maybe the mistake was in the last name (Robinson).
> > Of course, by that logic I also own 
> > Robinson Lake Park, Robinson Crusoe was my great
> > uncle, and Swiss Family Robinson is the 
> > story of my cousins.
> > 
> > I would suggest that anyone (including Donovan)
> who
> > wants to know anything about me could 
> > just ask me---I'm fairly approachable. No need to
> go
> > searching out gossip, publishing wrong 
> > info, and making a fool of oneself. And yes, my
> full
> > first name is Deborah. Biblical spelling, 
> > look it up, rousing story. I use Debi because
> those
> > lines for signature just won't take a name 
> > as long as mine. I'm not, however, "Debbie". As
> Ms.
> > Opyr said "Don't call me Mary, Mary".
> > 
> > Debi Robinson-Smith
> > 
> > 
> >
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