[Vision2020] Gary Larson on one of today's headlines

[Art Deco]

RE: [Vision2020] Gary Larson on one of today's headlinesRon, Scott, et al,

Begging the question:

http://skepdic.com/begging.html



Another example (partial recycled from an earlier post):

[A]    The bible is true because it is the word of god.
          How do you know the bible is the word of god?
          The bible says so.
          How do we know what the bible says is true?
          See [A].


The is a classic example of a circular argument (aka begging the question) -- a fallacious argument form assuming as true what you are trying to prove.


Ron: Respond to the charge that the argument just above is fallacious not with reassertion -- but with something other than Christians have done it for a long time (as they believed for a long time that the earth was flat and mental illness was caused by the possession of demons).

If you admit that argument is circular, just say so.

Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
deco at moscow.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ron Smith 
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 10:42 PM
  Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Gary Larson on one of today's headlines


  Mr. Dredge,
  I suppose you are entitled to your judgement of my motives, even if you are wrong. The reason I try to convince people of the truth (not just on this list) is not because of any insecurity I may have. It is simply because that is exactly what my religion (i.e. Christ Himself) tells me to do. I am attempting nothing more than to be faithful to my beliefs and to God by giving reason for the hope that is in me.

  1 Peter 3:15 "...always be ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you..."

  Ron Smith

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  From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com on behalf of Scott Dredge
  Sent: Sun 1/9/2005 6:09 PM
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com
  Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Gary Larson on one of today's headlines


  Ron,

  I don't think you're comfortable at all.  I think
  you're very insecure about your religion which is why
  you continuously try convince everyone on this list of
  your piety.

  -Scott


  --- Ron Smith <ron_smith at md7.com> wrote:

  > "Do those of you who are young or who have children
  > feel comfortable with such attitudes?"
  > 
  > Well, I am young (28) and I have children, and I
  > feel comfortable with such attitudes. But my comfort
  > is not found in the abilities of mankind to protect
  > me, or the lack thereof. My comfort is found in the
  > One who made mankind and has it all planned out.
  > 
  > Isaiah 46:10 "... My purpose will be established,
  > and I will accomplish all My good pleasure."
  >

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