[Vision2020] Buffalo

[LuJane Nisse publisher]

Art, I enjoyed that.
on the subject of prejudiced parents.... I doubt any two people were more
prejudiced than my mom and dad. Great parents, except in that aspect. I
wonder, however, how prejudiced parents can raise non-prejudiced children. I
believe all my siblings are very NOT prejudiced. I used to laugh at my dad
who LOVED Archie Bunker and set him up as his "mentor" of sorts. It seemed
so outlandish. Way back when, there were no TV shows that had blacks
(whoops - African Americans) on them as the main characters. I believe
Bunker (what was that show? All in the family?) started the first spin off
with the man who was the cleaner - I'm not remembering names right now
although I could sing the song "We're movin' on up... to the big house... "
etc.
Dad, was aghast, however, that "they" were horning in on his TV show.
I know people would (and probably should) take offense, but truly I thought
he was just plain funny. It was absurd. He'd never hurt a soul but he sure
believed each race had their place. His sister married an Indian and the
family was so appalled they about disowned her. Now that was in the 40s
maybe even 30s I believe - so take the time context into consideration.


  -----Original Message-----
  From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]On Behalf Of Art Deco
  Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 4:56 PM
  To: Vision 2020
  Subject: [Vision2020] Buffalo


  All,

  Perhaps this has been a most useful discussion.

  But perhaps if the word "hunter" or "person" had been used instead of
  "Indian," offense would not have been taken, mistaken motives might not
have
  been attached, and most of the group might have seen that there was a bit
of
  realty reflected by the joke.  [Before I get slapped, I am not saying all
  managers are screw-ups!]

  I am in the same boat as LJ, except older.  Both my parents were
vehemently
  prejudiced most of their lives toward a lot of groups  [though they did
  change a little in their elder years] as were most of my peers through my
  under graduate years at the UI ending in the spring of 1962.

  Language usage is a habit.  Habits are automatic and most of the time
  unconscious.  I have worked hard to change some of my improper
  sexist/racist/etc. language habits, but approaching senility, I sometimes
  screw up.

  There are some individuals and groups who I consider to be an egregious
  threat to a free and/or healthy society.  I will continue to use any
  language I deem accurate and proper to describe them -- PC be damned.  I
  disagree with these persons and groups because of their ideas and
resulting
  actions, not because of their race, gender, or sexual preference.

  I often disagree with religious groups. In fact, I see some religious
  beliefs as manipulative and self-serving and many, if not most, as
  delusional, and exhibiting plain mental health problems.

  As a person who has hired many people for many firms in my consulting
  career, I have not/do not discriminate on the basis of religious belief.
I
  believe that all persons are entitled to hold those beliefs, although they
  are not entitled to take all actions which proceed from those beliefs nor
  are those beliefs immune from critical comment and analysis.

  When I was the planning and zoning coordinator Boundary County, I was
  severely criticized by a surprisingly large number of public employees and
  members of the public for hiring a very bright, fervent young Mormon and a
  very, bright, fervent young Jehovah Witness.  On their breaks and lunch
  hours they argued loudly and very hotly (and amusingly).  However, during
  work times, they performed their tasks excellently and served the county
  very well.  That was what they were being paid to do.

  Please give middle aged LJ and old me a little leeway.  Except for the
  reckless stupidly of some persons and groups were I might use some
language
  some might consider intemperate to describe, if I slip and say "man" or
  "woman" instead of "person" it is not because I discriminate or am
  prejudiced, but because at my advancing age, habits of a lifetime are
  strong, especially when I am tired or preoccupied.

  Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
  deco at moscow.com

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: <debismith at moscow.com>
  To: "LuJane Nisse publisher" <lujane at lataheagle.com>;
  <vision2020 at moscow.com>
  Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:34 PM
  Subject: RE: [Vision2020] buffalo


  > LuJane, this was a "no-brainer". Agreed, it is difficult to know what is
  > politically
  > correct, particularly when one chooses not to be "exposed" to groups
  > outside one's
  > own,  but this was a blatant violation of decency.
  > Debi R-S
  >
  > From:           "LuJane Nisse publisher" <lujane at lataheagle.com>
  > To:             "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
  > Subject:        RE: [Vision2020] buffalo
  > Date sent:      Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:28:07 -0800
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  > everything almost these days is racist or politically incorrect.
Difficult
  > to even talk these days with breaking egg shells.
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
  > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]On Behalf Of lfalen
  > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 4:19 PM
  > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
  > Subject: [Vision2020] buffalo
  >
  >
  > Re: Melynda Huskey's comment. It never occurred to me that the joke
might
  > be
  > taken as racist. It was a joke on upper management. I think you are a
  > little
  > thin skinned. I hve some Indian blood and it did not even cross my mind
  > that
  > it might be taken as racist.
  >
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