[Vision2020] Buffalo

[Saundra Lund]

OK, OK . . . HOWEVER . . . 

I was also offended by the slaughter of the buffalo in the joke.   Yes, yes,
it's only a "joke," but I will never find anything humorous about using the
senseless slaughter of any sentient being for the sake of a laugh.  Call me
a stick in the mud, but I'd prefer not to read such offensive stuff.

Also, the fact that it was a Native American who did the slaughtering was
offensive as well.  I'm not an expert on Native American culture, but my
understanding is that when animals are hunted/sacrificed, they aren't
wasted.

Not picking on Leslie Falen for sharing the joke, but since others shared
what they were upset about, I decided to chime in as well.


Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
Edmund Burke

-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Art Deco
Sent: Sunday, 20 February 2005 4:56 PM
To: Vision 2020
Subject: [Vision2020] Buffalo

All,

Perhaps this has been a most useful discussion.

But perhaps if the word "hunter" or "person" had been used instead of
"Indian," offense would not have been taken, mistaken motives might not have
been attached, and most of the group might have seen that there was a bit of
realty reflected by the joke.  [Before I get slapped, I am not saying all
managers are screw-ups!]

I am in the same boat as LJ, except older.  Both my parents were vehemently
prejudiced most of their lives toward a lot of groups  [though they did
change a little in their elder years] as were most of my peers through my
under graduate years at the UI ending in the spring of 1962.

Language usage is a habit.  Habits are automatic and most of the time
unconscious.  I have worked hard to change some of my improper
sexist/racist/etc. language habits, but approaching senility, I sometimes
screw up.

There are some individuals and groups who I consider to be an egregious
threat to a free and/or healthy society.  I will continue to use any
language I deem accurate and proper to describe them -- PC be damned.  I
disagree with these persons and groups because of their ideas and resulting
actions, not because of their race, gender, or sexual preference.

I often disagree with religious groups. In fact, I see some religious
beliefs as manipulative and self-serving and many, if not most, as
delusional, and exhibiting plain mental health problems.

As a person who has hired many people for many firms in my consulting
career, I have not/do not discriminate on the basis of religious belief.  I
believe that all persons are entitled to hold those beliefs, although they
are not entitled to take all actions which proceed from those beliefs nor
are those beliefs immune from critical comment and analysis.

When I was the planning and zoning coordinator Boundary County, I was
severely criticized by a surprisingly large number of public employees and
members of the public for hiring a very bright, fervent young Mormon and a
very, bright, fervent young Jehovah Witness.  On their breaks and lunch
hours they argued loudly and very hotly (and amusingly).  However, during
work times, they performed their tasks excellently and served the county
very well.  That was what they were being paid to do.

Please give middle aged LJ and old me a little leeway.  Except for the
reckless stupidly of some persons and groups were I might use some language
some might consider intemperate to describe, if I slip and say "man" or
"woman" instead of "person" it is not because I discriminate or am
prejudiced, but because at my advancing age, habits of a lifetime are
strong, especially when I am tired or preoccupied.

Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
deco at moscow.com <mailto:deco at moscow.com> 

----- Original Message -----
From: <debismith at moscow.com <mailto:debismith at moscow.com> >
To: "LuJane Nisse publisher" <lujane at lataheagle.com
<mailto:lujane at lataheagle.com> >; <vision2020 at moscow.com
<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> >
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:34 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] buffalo


> LuJane, this was a "no-brainer". Agreed, it is difficult to know what 
> is politically correct, particularly when one chooses not to be 
> "exposed" to groups outside one's own,  but this was a blatant 
> violation of decency.
> Debi R-S
>
> From:           "LuJane Nisse publisher" <lujane at lataheagle.com
<mailto:lujane at lataheagle.com> >
> To:             "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com <mailto:lfalen at turbonet.com>
>, <vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> >
> Subject:        RE: [Vision2020] buffalo
> Date sent:      Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:28:07 -0800
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> everything almost these days is racist or politically incorrect. 
> Difficult to even talk these days with breaking egg shells.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
> <mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com>
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]On Behalf Of lfalen
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 4:19 PM
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: [Vision2020] buffalo
>
>
> Re: Melynda Huskey's comment. It never occurred to me that the joke 
> might be taken as racist. It was a joke on upper management. I think 
> you are a little thin skinned. I hve some Indian blood and it did not 
> even cross my mind that it might be taken as racist.
>