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<DIV><SPAN class=834344001-21022005><FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Art, I enjoyed
that.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=834344001-21022005><FONT color=#0000ff size=4>on the subject of
prejudiced parents.... I doubt any two people were more prejudiced than my mom
and dad. Great parents, except in that aspect. I wonder, however, how prejudiced
parents can raise non-prejudiced children. I believe all my siblings are very
NOT prejudiced. I used to laugh at my dad who LOVED Archie Bunker and set him up
as his "mentor" of sorts. It seemed so outlandish. Way back when, there were no
TV shows that had blacks (whoops - African Americans) on them as the main
characters. I believe Bunker (what was that show? All in the family?) started
the first spin off with the man who was the cleaner - I'm not remembering names
right now although I could sing the song "We're movin' on up... to the big
house... " etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=834344001-21022005><FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Dad, was aghast,
however, that "they" were horning in on his TV show. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=834344001-21022005><FONT color=#0000ff size=4>I know people
would (and probably should) take offense, but truly I thought he was just plain
funny. It was absurd. He'd never hurt a soul but he sure believed each race had
their place. His sister married an Indian and the family was so appalled they
about disowned her. Now that was in the 40s maybe even 30s I believe - so take
the time context into consideration.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Art Deco<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 20, 2005 4:56
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Vision 2020<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020]
Buffalo<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><FONT size=3>All,<BR><BR>Perhaps this has been a most useful
discussion.<BR><BR>But perhaps if the word "hunter" or "person" had been used
instead of <BR>"Indian," offense would not have been taken, mistaken motives
might not have <BR>been attached, and most of the group might have seen that
there was a bit of <BR>realty reflected by the joke. [Before I get
slapped, I am not saying all <BR>managers are screw-ups!]<BR><BR>I am in the
same boat as LJ, except older. Both my parents were vehemently
<BR>prejudiced most of their lives toward a lot of groups [though they
did <BR>change a little in their elder years] as were most of my peers through
my <BR>under graduate years at the UI ending in the spring of
1962.<BR><BR>Language usage is a habit. Habits are automatic and most of
the time <BR>unconscious. I have worked hard to change some of my
improper <BR>sexist/racist/etc. language habits, but approaching senility, I
sometimes <BR>screw up.<BR><BR>There are some individuals and groups who I
consider to be an egregious <BR>threat to a free and/or healthy society.
I will continue to use any <BR>language I deem accurate and proper to describe
them -- PC be damned. I <BR>disagree with these persons and groups
because of their ideas and resulting <BR>actions, not because of their race,
gender, or sexual preference.<BR><BR>I often disagree with religious groups.
In fact, I see some religious <BR>beliefs as manipulative and self-serving and
many, if not most, as <BR>delusional, and exhibiting plain mental health
problems.<BR><BR>As a person who has hired many people for many firms in my
consulting <BR>career, I have not/do not discriminate on the basis of
religious belief. I <BR>believe that all persons are entitled to hold
those beliefs, although they <BR>are not entitled to take all actions which
proceed from those beliefs nor <BR>are those beliefs immune from critical
comment and analysis.<BR><BR>When I was the planning and zoning coordinator
Boundary County, I was <BR>severely criticized by a surprisingly large number
of public employees and <BR>members of the public for hiring a very bright,
fervent young Mormon and a <BR>very, bright, fervent young Jehovah
Witness. On their breaks and lunch <BR>hours they argued loudly and very
hotly (and amusingly). However, during <BR>work times, they performed
their tasks excellently and served the county <BR>very well. That was
what they were being paid to do.<BR><BR>Please give middle aged LJ and old me
a little leeway. Except for the <BR>reckless stupidly of some persons
and groups were I might use some language <BR>some might consider intemperate
to describe, if I slip and say "man" or <BR>"woman" instead of "person" it is
not because I discriminate or am <BR>prejudiced, but because at my advancing
age, habits of a lifetime are <BR>strong, especially when I am tired or
preoccupied.<BR><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR></FONT><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT
size=3>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><BR><FONT size=3>----- Original Message
----- <BR>From: <</FONT><A href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com"><FONT
size=3>debismith@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3>><BR>To: "LuJane Nisse
publisher" <</FONT><A href="mailto:lujane@lataheagle.com"><FONT
size=3>lujane@lataheagle.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3>>; <BR><</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=3>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3>><BR>Sent: Saturday,
February 19, 2005 10:34 PM<BR>Subject: RE: [Vision2020]
buffalo<BR><BR><BR>> LuJane, this was a "no-brainer". Agreed, it is
difficult to know what is <BR>> politically<BR>> correct, particularly
when one chooses not to be "exposed" to groups <BR>> outside one's<BR>>
own, but this was a blatant violation of decency.<BR>> Debi
R-S<BR>><BR>>
From: "LuJane
Nisse publisher" <</FONT><A href="mailto:lujane@lataheagle.com"><FONT
size=3>lujane@lataheagle.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3>><BR>>
To:
"lfalen" <</FONT><A href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com"><FONT
size=3>lfalen@turbonet.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3>>, <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=3>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3>><BR>>
Subject: RE: [Vision2020]
buffalo<BR>> Date sent: Sat, 19 Feb 2005
17:28:07 -0800<BR>> Copies to:<BR>><BR>> [ Double-click this line for
list subscription options ]<BR>><BR>> everything almost these days is
racist or politically incorrect. Difficult<BR>> to even talk these days
with breaking egg shells.<BR>><BR>><BR>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>> From: </FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"><FONT
size=3>vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=3>>
[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]On Behalf Of lfalen<BR>> Sent:
Saturday, February 19, 2005 4:19 PM<BR>> To: </FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=3>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=3>> Subject:
[Vision2020] buffalo<BR>><BR>><BR>> Re: Melynda Huskey's comment. It
never occurred to me that the joke might <BR>> be<BR>> taken as racist.
It was a joke on upper management. I think you are a <BR>> little<BR>>
thin skinned. I hve some Indian blood and it did not even cross my mind
<BR>> that<BR>> it might be taken as
racist.<BR>></FONT><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>