[Vision2020] Einstein and Quantum Mechanics John D

[Phil Nisbet]

John D

I realize that as a troll who still refuses to post who you actually are, 
you also display trollish tendencies in your posting.

First, are you seriously suggesting that eugenics is a good thing?  Are you 
advocating here in Moscow Idaho that it is wonderful to pick people or 
characteristics that should be sterilized or liquidated to improve the gene 
pool?

Jay Gould is an advocate of strict Darwinism, one of the few remaining 
advocates of it in the Geological community.  Niles Eldredge, a Brit, was 
the first to articulate the theory, though the preliminary ground work 
belonged to Ernst Mayr, a German.  Jay Gould said that he acted as a 
sounding board for Niles in the paper they presented on the subject, but to 
date has not advocated for the school of thought.

As for Max Born, who cares what his religion, the history of events tells 
the tale.  Look it up.  Born was Heisenberg's superior and he turned his 
findings over to Born.  From the AIP 
(http://www.aip.org/history/heisenberg/p07.htm);

“Heisenberg set himself the task of finding the new quantum mechanics upon 
returning to Göttingen from Copenhagen in April 1925. Inspired by Bohr and 
his assistant, H.A. Kramers, in Copenhagen, Pauli in Hamburg, and Born in 
Göttingen, Heisenberg's intensive struggle over the following months to 
achieve his goal has been well documented by historians. Since the electron 
orbits in atoms could not be observed, Heisenberg tried to develop a quantum 
mechanics without them. He relied instead on what can be observed, namely 
the light emitted and absorbed by the atoms. By July 1925 Heisenberg had an 
answer, but the mathematics was so unfamiliar that he was not sure if it 
made any sense. Heisenberg handed a paper on the derivation to his mentor, 
Max Born, before leaving on a month-long lecture trip to Holland and England 
and a camping trip to Scandinavia with his youth-movement group. After 
puzzling over the derivation, Born finally recognized that the unfamiliar 
mathematics was related to the mathematics of arrays of numbers known as 
"matrices." Born sent Heisenberg's paper off for publication. It was the 
breakthrough to quantum mechanics. "

That paper, John D, had three authors, Max Born, Pascual Jordan and Werner 
Heisenberg.  Born and Jordan did the work on the math.  Jordan, I might 
point out, was not Jewish either.

I do not support people who would work diligently for a regime such as 
Hitler's National Socialists Party and more specifically, as Heisenberg did 
directly for Himmler's SS.  If you read what Bohr had to say, you have to 
realize that Heisenberg was not just passively supportive of that regime, he 
actively sought its victory.

You accuse me of bigotry in your post.  May I ask why on the other hand you 
are so willing to support a Nazi and ideologies dear to the heart of Nazis?










>From: John D <johnd550 at yahoo.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: [Vision2020] Einstein and Quantum Mechanics
>Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:50:18 -0800 (PST)
>
>Phil Nisbet <pcnisbet1 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>   > You see the trouble with it all is very broad ranged.  Darwinian 
>thought
>   > leads to Social Darwinism which justifies eugenics and to very 
>different
>   > conclusions than I think that the majority of proponents assume is the
>   > perfect world they wish to create.  The same sort of thing is true of 
>the
>   > absolute indeterminism of a Heisenbergian world of Uncertainty, in 
>which
>   > nothing is true or certain.  People tend to take these fundamental 
>laws out
>   > to the ad absurdum, as Mead did in her suggestions of cultural 
>relativism.
>
>  'Darwinian thought' has to be wrong because according to you it leads to 
>eugenics? Is this because six million Jews died because of the consequences 
>of eugenics during the Holocaust?
>
>   > We got into this particular debate from a start point in my 
>explanations of
>   > punctuated gradualism and its advent as the dominating idea in 
>evolutionary
>   > sciences which results in the death throws of Darwinianism.  It has 
>been an
>   > interesting side track, but has diverted us from the question, why is
>   > Darwin’s premise being taught as fact when it has been superceded?
>
>  Darwin's premise has to be wrong and instead Stephen Jay Gould's idea of 
>punctuated equilibrium has to be right? Is this because Gould is of Jewish 
>heritage and Darwin wasn't?
>
>   > All you have to do is realize that the debate between Einstein and
>   > Heisenberg was one between a Jew and a Nazi.  Heisenberg’s relativism 
>was
>   > heralded by his fellow swastika wearing heros as justification for 
>actions
>   > they took.  Einstein saw that in the world there has to be some 
>standard of
>   > law and order that does not allow a Darwinian slaughter and that makes 
>it
>   > not just relatively wrong, but deadly wrong.
>
>   Einstein had to be right because he was a Jew and Heisenberg had to be 
>wrong because he wasn't?
>
>   > As I have previously noted, the original matrix mechanics mathematics 
>was
>   > not developed by Heisenberg, but by his boss Max Born, because 
>Heisenberg
>   > was not a very good mathematician.
>
>   Heisenberg couldn't do the math, but Max Born could? Is this because 
>Born was of Jewish heritage and Heisenberg wasn't?
>
>   Are you a racist?
>
>
>
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