[Vision2020] Phil, Tom, and Filson clothes (say what?)

[Art Deco]

While we are all exchanging warmth and fuzzies and lecturing each other about conflict and nastiness, we need also to remember that strife and incivility do have useful and positive consequences.

For those old enough to remember here are three examples where not only did a certain amount of strife and nastiness help improve matters greatly, but such improvement would probably not happened without that strife and nastiness:

1.    The civil rights struggle (and continuing struggle) for black Americans and other minorities (wherefrom which struggle we all benefit).

2.    The bringing to an end of the Viet Nam War,

3.    The continuing struggle to bring fairness and justice to the lives of migrant farm workers.

Of course there are places where strife and nastiness can be more counter-productive than productive.  But whenever one enters public debate, one can expect to be called a lot of unpleasant things.  [But no one should expect to suffer vandalism merely for expressing their opinion.]   I have noticed that strife and nastiness is amplified by parties playing fast and loose with facts or by trying to impose their will by using references based on superstition and ignorance.  I can say that I am particularly personally angered by hypocrisy and dishonesty, and I sometimes am very nasty and graphic whenever I think such occurs;  I make no apology for those posts.

Once nastiness starts, it usually escalates.  However, I know from off list messages from people that I do not personally know that many V 2020 posters/lurkers enjoy certain kinds of sharply strident/nasty posts whether they be satirical, whether they point out facts stridently, or whether they are cleverly humorous (directly or in subtext).

As for Mr. Crabtree, he entitled to his opinions and entitled to express them any way he feels.  While I think he is short of a few relevant facts on the CBD issue, I am not convinced that he is being dishonest in his opinions at this point.  I have patronized his business for many years and know that he strives to give satisfaction and a fair exchange.

As for civility/nastiness, all of us can learn from experience, and then need to personally decide when they are the most effective tools and how to use those tools for bringing about change.  The nastiness in the world of debate does not bother me; but dishonesty and hypocrisy (especially religious/political hypocrisy) does.

Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
deco at moscow.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joan Opyr 
  To: Vision2020 Moscow 
  Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 10:51 PM
  Subject: [Vision2020] Phil, Tom, and Filson clothes (say what?)


  On 17 Dec 2005, at 17:21, Phil Nisbet wrote:


    For the list

    The late posting of a comment I made prior to my appology to Tom Hanson seems to be keeping this thread alive. That is unfortunate.

    As I have noted to SFC Hanson, his service even had it been solely as a clerk typist would have been noble. The fact that he pulled 10 years as an NCO at squad and platoon level in the infantry says much for his spirit of service. There is no less thanked and more deserving of praise occupation than small unit infantry leader. Its a tough job to do when you are young and spry and take exceptional intestinal fortitude to do when you are middle aged.

    Phil Nisbet


  Phil has apologized, Tom has accepted, and so, this thread should end. But first . . . 

  I've got say, along with Keely, that the peaceful resolution of this exchange is truly exemplary. I've known Tom for a long time; he's a decent and honorable man who loves this community and the University of Idaho, and he is willing to go to the mat for both. I've only recently come to know Phil via offlist email exchanges and his kind sharing of Jewish books, music, and theology. Phil has promised to write a New West piece on Mike Wendt's Pottery down in Lewiston that I am eager to read. (No pressure or anything, Phil . . . but now that I've made this news public, others will be looking for your piece and, well . . . aren't editors sneaky? Ha!)

  Now for something completely different. I just bought a pair of Filson double-tin cloth hunting pants. I bought them from Ebay, thus saving myself a bundle, but unfortunately, they're unhemmed. The inseam must be 36 inches long. I need a 31. Is there anyone around here who can/will hem a pair of Filson's? Rose won't do it -- it might break her Pfaff sewing machine, which she loves more than I love Steve McQueen, and that's going some. I had thought of asking Peck's, but someone told me that they only sew leather. In the past, I would have called Creighton's, but that, sadly, is now kaput. Any advice from you Filson-wearing hunters (and/or sewing folk) would be greatly appreciated. I don't want to have to mail these to Seattle; I'd much rather have the work done locally.

  BTW, appropo of nothing, I love Filson. I have a Filson hat and a Filson coat and now these trousers, which are oil-finished shelter cloth, designed to keep my backside dry when I'm out deer hunting. All are made in Seattle by a really great company. Filson clothing is built to last -- coats are handed down generation to generation. I bought my coat from a guy on Ebay who said he'd gotten it as a present some twenty years ago and was only selling it because he'd come to the reluctant conclusion that he'd never be a medium again -- not in this lifetime, anyway.

  Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
  www.joanopyr.com




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