[Vision2020] Phil, Tom, and Filson clothes (say what?)

Sun Dec 18 10:35:21 PST 2005

I agree with you 100%, Wayne.

I have considered myself to be more "activist" than "pacifist".

Case in point:  In September of 1990, I and some friends dropped a truck 
load of makeshift coffins across Main Avenue in Spokane at 7:30 AM on a 
Monday morning to draw attention to our government's apathy toward 
POWs/MIAs.  In spite of being spit upon, called names, and a variety of 
other less wholesome attacks by some rather unhappy motorists, we got our 
word across.

http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/SR_090590.jpg

Spokesman (as usual) incorrectly listed me as a cancer victim of Agent 
Orange.  Let me simply state, "WRONG".

However, since the publication of that article, Al Thompson divorced in July 
of 1995 and died a year later.

Activism, though very productive, should be looked at as a final measure.

Pro patria,

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

>From: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>
>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Phil, Tom, and Filson clothes (say what?)
>Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:50:35 -0800
>
>While we are all exchanging warmth and fuzzies and lecturing each other 
>about conflict and nastiness, we need also to remember that strife and 
>incivility do have useful and positive consequences.
>
>For those old enough to remember here are three examples where not only did 
>a certain amount of strife and nastiness help improve matters greatly, but 
>such improvement would probably not happened without that strife and 
>nastiness:
>
>1.    The civil rights struggle (and continuing struggle) for black 
>Americans and other minorities (wherefrom which struggle we all benefit).
>
>2.    The bringing to an end of the Viet Nam War,
>
>3.    The continuing struggle to bring fairness and justice to the lives of 
>migrant farm workers.
>
>Of course there are places where strife and nastiness can be more 
>counter-productive than productive.  But whenever one enters public debate, 
>one can expect to be called a lot of unpleasant things.  [But no one should 
>expect to suffer vandalism merely for expressing their opinion.]   I have 
>noticed that strife and nastiness is amplified by parties playing fast and 
>loose with facts or by trying to impose their will by using references 
>based on superstition and ignorance.  I can say that I am particularly 
>personally angered by hypocrisy and dishonesty, and I sometimes am very 
>nasty and graphic whenever I think such occurs;  I make no apology for 
>those posts.
>
>Once nastiness starts, it usually escalates.  However, I know from off list 
>messages from people that I do not personally know that many V 2020 
>posters/lurkers enjoy certain kinds of sharply strident/nasty posts whether 
>they be satirical, whether they point out facts stridently, or whether they 
>are cleverly humorous (directly or in subtext).
>
>As for Mr. Crabtree, he entitled to his opinions and entitled to express 
>them any way he feels.  While I think he is short of a few relevant facts 
>on the CBD issue, I am not convinced that he is being dishonest in his 
>opinions at this point.  I have patronized his business for many years and 
>know that he strives to give satisfaction and a fair exchange.
>
>As for civility/nastiness, all of us can learn from experience, and then 
>need to personally decide when they are the most effective tools and how to 
>use those tools for bringing about change.  The nastiness in the world of 
>debate does not bother me; but dishonesty and hypocrisy (especially 
>religious/political hypocrisy) does.
>
>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
>deco at moscow.com
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Joan Opyr
>   To: Vision2020 Moscow
>   Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 10:51 PM
>   Subject: [Vision2020] Phil, Tom, and Filson clothes (say what?)
>
>
>   On 17 Dec 2005, at 17:21, Phil Nisbet wrote:
>
>
>     For the list
>
>     The late posting of a comment I made prior to my appology to Tom 
>Hanson seems to be keeping this thread alive. That is unfortunate.
>
>     As I have noted to SFC Hanson, his service even had it been solely as 
>a clerk typist would have been noble. The fact that he pulled 10 years as 
>an NCO at squad and platoon level in the infantry says much for his spirit 
>of service. There is no less thanked and more deserving of praise 
>occupation than small unit infantry leader. Its a tough job to do when you 
>are young and spry and take exceptional intestinal fortitude to do when you 
>are middle aged.
>
>     Phil Nisbet
>
>
>   Phil has apologized, Tom has accepted, and so, this thread should end. 
>But first . . .
>
>   I've got say, along with Keely, that the peaceful resolution of this 
>exchange is truly exemplary. I've known Tom for a long time; he's a decent 
>and honorable man who loves this community and the University of Idaho, and 
>he is willing to go to the mat for both. I've only recently come to know 
>Phil via offlist email exchanges and his kind sharing of Jewish books, 
>music, and theology. Phil has promised to write a New West piece on Mike 
>Wendt's Pottery down in Lewiston that I am eager to read. (No pressure or 
>anything, Phil . . . but now that I've made this news public, others will 
>be looking for your piece and, well . . . aren't editors sneaky? Ha!)
>
>   Now for something completely different. I just bought a pair of Filson 
>double-tin cloth hunting pants. I bought them from Ebay, thus saving myself 
>a bundle, but unfortunately, they're unhemmed. The inseam must be 36 inches 
>long. I need a 31. Is there anyone around here who can/will hem a pair of 
>Filson's? Rose won't do it -- it might break her Pfaff sewing machine, 
>which she loves more than I love Steve McQueen, and that's going some. I 
>had thought of asking Peck's, but someone told me that they only sew 
>leather. In the past, I would have called Creighton's, but that, sadly, is 
>now kaput. Any advice from you Filson-wearing hunters (and/or sewing folk) 
>would be greatly appreciated. I don't want to have to mail these to 
>Seattle; I'd much rather have the work done locally.
>
>   BTW, appropo of nothing, I love Filson. I have a Filson hat and a Filson 
>coat and now these trousers, which are oil-finished shelter cloth, designed 
>to keep my backside dry when I'm out deer hunting. All are made in Seattle 
>by a really great company. Filson clothing is built to last -- coats are 
>handed down generation to generation. I bought my coat from a guy on Ebay 
>who said he'd gotten it as a present some twenty years ago and was only 
>selling it because he'd come to the reluctant conclusion that he'd never be 
>a medium again -- not in this lifetime, anyway.
>
>   Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>   www.joanopyr.com
>
>
>
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