[Vision2020] NSA/Verizon/Zoning Trouble Timeline
(was:Whostartedit? Who care
Donovan Arnold
donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Sat Dec 17 13:18:39 PST 2005
Reverend Keely,
"I would ask you to show me where I have ever spread rumors about Peg Hamlett. I have not."
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-November/021772.html
Do you deliberately not tell the truth so much of the time, or do you view the world with a lens that just warps reality to fit what you want to see. Perhaps you should consider running for higher office.
_DJA
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-November/021772.html
keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
Normally I try to ignore you, Donovan, but I would ask you to show me where
I have ever spread rumors about Peg Hamlett. I have not.
I'm trying to be less angry with you and more understanding, but it's
getting harder.
keely
From: Donovan Arnold
To: Tom Hansen , "'Bruce and Jean Livingston'"
, vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] NSA/Verizon/Zoning Trouble Timeline
(was:Whostartedit? Who cares?)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:07:25 -0800 (PST)
Handsin,
Here is a novel idea! Before spreading something that might be a rumor,
why don't you get off your ass and go down there and check yourself. Then
you can say, "There is (not) a suggestion box being maintained at Anselm
House."
This is lame as the time Reverend Keely wrote on here that she did not
want to spread rumors about Peg Hamlett and then preceded telling everyone
a rumor in the form of a question.
Take Care,
_DJA
Tom Hansen wrote: v\:*
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Rumor Control has it, and inquiring minds want to know:
Is Moscow City Council maintaining a suggestion box at Anselm House?
Hmmm.
Tom “just stirring the stink pot” Hansen
U.S. Army (Double-Dipping Lifer)
Just Another Intolerista Liberal Elitista Diversity-Cleansing Wacko
Nutjob Horse’s *** Loose in the Palouse Doing What Comes Natural
“Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body
thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'”
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Bruce and Jean
Livingston
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:20 AM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NSA/Verizon/Zoning Trouble Timeline (was:
Whostartedit? Who cares?)
I think that a subsequent post from Rose Huskey corrects, though
not explicitly, the mistake in paragraph 3 below of Joan's recitation. I
believe that the City did give NSA an occupancy permit for the Skattaboe
bldg. What NSA failed to obtain was a "zoning certificate," which is also
required. That certificate has still never been issued (and can't be,
unless the zoning code is changed, because NSA has been found to be an
illegal use under current code).
The files available for review in City Hall plainly show that when
NSA was being told about its various zoning violations in Fort Russell and
that they had to leave Fort Russell (where they were operating
illegally), that the City explained the requirement of the Zoning
Certificate. Nevertheless, NSA did not apply for a zoning certificate when
it moved downtown.
Bruce Livingston
----- Original Message -----
From: Joan Opyr
To: bill bonte
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:33 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] NSA/Verizon/Zoning Trouble Timeline (was:
Who startedit? Who cares?)
On 16 Dec 2005, at 16:31, bill bonte wrote:
Speaking of who started it, what was the origin of the NSA zoning
mess. I have read vision2020 and the daily news for the past 2 years and I
still am not clear on two points.
1. Didn't the realtor who sold the building to NSA know that the planned
use was a violation of the zoning ordinance? Shouldn't she bear some
(financial) responsibility for this mess?
2. Why didn't the city intervene and forbid the use of the property as a
college. Did they know what was to be done with the property or was NSA's
opening a surprise? If I open a small grocery store in my garage, zoned
R-2, I'm sure I'd be issued a zoning violation citation and forced to
close.
I seems so simple to me: the CBD is not zoned for a college, close them
down!
Bill Bonte
Hi Bill,
This is the timeline of events, as best I recall:
1. The Verizon Building was sold by Bennett Realty, specifically by
Shelly Bennett. (I may be spelling her first name wrong. Perhaps it's
Shelley?) There was more than one bid for the building, and Doug Wilson's
was the lowest, not the highest. Why NSA won is anyone's guess. A tax
write-off for Verizon because they sold to a non-profit. (Yes, I know; that
opens up another can of worms.)
2. At the time of the Verizon sale, New St. Andrews was located --
illegally -- in the home of Chris Schlect on Polk Street. The City told
Schlect and company that they could not operate a college in this
residential zone. The college continued to operate in that location until
the Verizon/Skattaboe Building was renovated and ready to be occupied.
3. NSA moved into the Verizon/Skattaboe Building. They did not get and do
not now have an occupancy permit.
4. Three evangelical Christians -- two former NSA students and one
ex-member of Christ Church -- filed a zoning complaint against NSA on the
grounds that educational institutions are prohibited in the Central
Business District. Why? Because the CBD was created to prevent the
encroachment of the U of I on downtown retail space. This happened in the
wake of the U of I's purchase of the old Murdock's Tavern and Cavenaugh's
Hotel.
5. Joel Plaskon ruled on behalf of the City that the complaint filed
against NSA was without merit or some such. (Mike Curley, the attorney for
the three plaintiffs, will perhaps supply the correct terminology.)
6. Plaskon's ruling was appealed. The City Council then voted 4 to 2 that
NSA could not, in fact, be located in the Central Business District under
current zoning code.
7. Someone or ones set in motion the current attempt to amend the city
zoning code so that NSA could remain downtown. I attended several city
planning and zoning meetings, ably chaired by Jerry Schutz, who earned my
eternal respect for his exemplary conduct of those hearings, during which
everyone was hot under the collar and pretty damned feisty. He never lost
his cool or, more importantly, his sense of humor and proportion. (I think
Jerry is a Republican, so coming from this Democrat, this praise is high
praise indeed.)
8. Planning and Zoning made a host of recommendations re: amending city
code to allow NSA downtown. The City Council rejected those and bounced the
whole thing back to P & Z, which worked again on this thankless task. The
fight now seems to be about parking rather than a straight up-or-down
should colleges be allowed in the Central Business District.
I say no; some say yes; others don't seem to give a tinker's damn. I envy
the latter group because they're not tempted to kick one another's teeth
down one another's throat over this issue. I'm sure they fight about other
things -- whether or not Moscow needs a ring road; water mining; the
proposed ball fields. Who knows? We're all different, and different things
push our buttons.
(Mine are pushed by people who call my friends "simpering douche bags."
I'm funny that way. I also don't much care for hectoring lurkers who get
hold of the wrong end of the stick and then proceed to lecture me on
bullying. I'm glad I don't have Kathy Sprague's nerve in my tooth.)
Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
www.joanopyr.com
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