[Vision2020] NSA/Verizon/Zoning Trouble Timeline (was: Whostartedit? Wh...

Sat Dec 17 14:23:27 PST 2005

Perhaps it's just me but since when does referring to someone as biased 
qualify as an "ugly and hateful" personal attack? I will freely admit that I 
am biased with regard to certain matters and I suspect everyone else is as 
well. Would you care to school me as to where the truth stopped and the 
attack started?

Waiting patiently,
G. Crabtree
From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
To: "'Donovan Arnold'" <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>; <DonaldH675 at aol.com>; 
<joanopyr at earthlink.net>; <bbonte at moscow.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 1:13 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] NSA/Verizon/Zoning Trouble Timeline (was: 
Whostartedit? Wh...

> Donovan,
>
> Why do you always find it necessary to assume the worst about questions
> asked and resort to personal attacks?
>
> I'm willing to entertain the notion that I misunderstood what you meant 
> when
> you posted:
> "NSA moved because they were asked to by the city. The city said they 
> could
> move downtown. So they did."
>
> What I understood -- correctly or incorrectly -- from what you posted was
> that, ***prior*** to actually moving downtown, the City had given NSA the
> green light to locate downtown.  Is that not what you meant?
>
> If that *is* what you meant, I merely asked you to cite your source 
> because
> I saw nothing in the City files indicating NSA had communicated with the
> City prior to purchasing the old Verizon building and had been given a 
> green
> light by the City.
>
> So, if I correctly understood what you posted, please cite your source.
>
> If I misunderstood, then I apologize and ask you to clarify what you 
> meant.
>
> I don't know which BOA meeting you referred to in your response to me, so 
> I
> don't know if I was there or not -- can you clarify?  At none of the
> meetings I've attended have I heard Mr. Plaskon indicate that he or anyone
> else in the Community Development Department gave NSA the green light to
> locate downtown *prior* to  the property's purchase.
>
> Certainly, there's been a lot happening *since* the zoning complaint was
> filed, but I understood Mr. Bonte's question to pertain to the *origins* 
> of
> the zoning difficulty, not to what's happened in the last year.
>
> BTW, Donovan, you are incorrect about your interpretation of my
> "contention":  I was referring to what transpired *prior* to the 
> property's
> purchase, so your take on what happened long after the fact is irrelevant.
> I had thought my post was clear about that, but you apparently missed that
> important point.
>
> But, really, Donovan, I find your personal attack unwarranted.  I simply
> asked you to cite your source and further explained:
> "If I missed something, I'd like to know what I missed & why it wasn't in
> the City file."
>
> What did I write in my post that you think justifies such an ugly and
> hateful response from you???  As I suspect you're aware, those kind of
> responses to genuine inquiries are part of the reason V2020 has so many
> lurkers rather than participants.
>
>
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> nothing.
> Edmund Burke
>
> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2005, Saundra Lund.
> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum
> without the express written permission of the author.*****
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:40 AM
> To: Saundra Lund; DonaldH675 at aol.com; joanopyr at earthlink.net;
> bbonte at moscow.com
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] NSA/Verizon/Zoning Trouble Timeline (was:
> Whostarted it? Wh...
>
> Saundra,
>
> Not that the facts really matter to you. But if you were actually at the
> zoning meeting, which I believe you were, Joel testified to the BOA that 
> NSA
> was a similar use and therefore fit the downtown zoning code. Who else did
> you expect NSA to contact before moving downtown, every single member of 
> the
> city council, to get their take in case a complaint was filed against them
> for being downtown in case they disagreed with Joel?
>
> Your contention is that either;
>
> Joel told NSA they could not be downtown while telling the BOA they could
>
> OR
>
> NSA is responsible for calling every member of the BOA or City Council to
> ensure that Joel's interpretation of the zoning code is correct.
>
> In either case, I do not think that you can hold NSA responsible.
>
> You have gotten so biased it is getting ridiculous Saundra. And NSA will 
> be
> staying downtown and not paying any taxes.
>
> Take Care,
>
> _DJA
>
> Saundra Lund <sslund at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> Donovan wrote:
> "NSA moved because they were asked to by the city. The city said
> they could
> move downtown."
>
> Really, Donovan? Cite your source, please, because I'm not aware the
> City
> said NSA could move downtown.
>
> Back when the zoning issue was first brought to light, I knew
> *nothing* at
> all about zoning in general. So, I started learning about zoning in
> Moscow
> :-)
>
> Some of you may remember that last January, I asked some of the same
> questions Mr. Bonte raised again yesterday.
>
> "It's taken me a few days now to get this far -- I don't think I'd
> ever
> looked at Moscow's Land Use Regulations
> (http://www.ci.moscow.id.us/citycode/TITLE04/toc.asp)
> (let alone started actually reading them) until Saturday's paper.
> Does
> anyone know how/when the whole Zoning Code comes into play? I'm not
> (nor
> have I ever been) a business owner, but if someone was interested in
> purchasing property on Main Street, would they be expected to know
> that a
> particular property is zoned CB? Would a realtor inform a potential
> buyer
> about the zoning requirements for a specific parcel(s)? Would a
> potential
> buyer have contact with anyone from the City *prior* to actually
> purchasing
> a specific property for a specific use?"
>
> A Visionarie suggested to me that I actually go look for *myself* at
> the
> City's zoning file on NSA, so that's what I did. It's old news now,
> of
> course, but I was absolutely shocked to find that (NSA & the Verizon
> building) wasn't the first time NSA had run afoul of zoning. That's
> when --
> for me -- the questions I asked above ceased to have much importance
> in the
> zoning problem: NSA had no excuse for being ignorant about zoning
> regs
> because they'd run into problems previously and had been educated by
> City
> staff.
>
> Before learning that, I was more interested in a resolution that
> would have
> treated NSA as a genuinely ignorant first time offender, but as my
> granddaddy always used to say, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me
> twice,
> shame on me."
>
> And, that's why I ask, Donovan, that you cite your source: ***no
> where***
> in all the records did I see the City tell NSA it could move
> downtown. If I
> missed something, I'd like to know what I missed & why it wasn't in
> the City
> file.
>
>
> TIA,
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
> to do
> nothing.
> Edmund Burke
>
> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2005, Saundra
> Lund.
> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020
> forum
> without the express written permission of the author.*****
>
>
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