[Vision2020] NSA/Verizon/Zoning Trouble Timeline (was: Whostarted it? Wh...

[Saundra Lund]

Donovan,

Why do you always find it necessary to assume the worst about questions
asked and resort to personal attacks?

I'm willing to entertain the notion that I misunderstood what you meant when
you posted:
"NSA moved because they were asked to by the city. The city said they could
move downtown. So they did."

What I understood -- correctly or incorrectly -- from what you posted was
that, ***prior*** to actually moving downtown, the City had given NSA the
green light to locate downtown.  Is that not what you meant?

If that *is* what you meant, I merely asked you to cite your source because
I saw nothing in the City files indicating NSA had communicated with the
City prior to purchasing the old Verizon building and had been given a green
light by the City.

So, if I correctly understood what you posted, please cite your source.

If I misunderstood, then I apologize and ask you to clarify what you meant.

I don't know which BOA meeting you referred to in your response to me, so I
don't know if I was there or not -- can you clarify?  At none of the
meetings I've attended have I heard Mr. Plaskon indicate that he or anyone
else in the Community Development Department gave NSA the green light to
locate downtown *prior* to  the property's purchase.

Certainly, there's been a lot happening *since* the zoning complaint was
filed, but I understood Mr. Bonte's question to pertain to the *origins* of
the zoning difficulty, not to what's happened in the last year.

BTW, Donovan, you are incorrect about your interpretation of my
"contention":  I was referring to what transpired *prior* to the property's
purchase, so your take on what happened long after the fact is irrelevant.
I had thought my post was clear about that, but you apparently missed that
important point.

But, really, Donovan, I find your personal attack unwarranted.  I simply
asked you to cite your source and further explained:
"If I missed something, I'd like to know what I missed & why it wasn't in
the City file."

What did I write in my post that you think justifies such an ugly and
hateful response from you???  As I suspect you're aware, those kind of
responses to genuine inquiries are part of the reason V2020 has so many
lurkers rather than participants.


Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
Edmund Burke

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-----Original Message-----
From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:40 AM
To: Saundra Lund; DonaldH675 at aol.com; joanopyr at earthlink.net;
bbonte at moscow.com
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] NSA/Verizon/Zoning Trouble Timeline (was:
Whostarted it? Wh...

Saundra,

Not that the facts really matter to you. But if you were actually at the
zoning meeting, which I believe you were, Joel testified to the BOA that NSA
was a similar use and therefore fit the downtown zoning code. Who else did
you expect NSA to contact before moving downtown, every single member of the
city council, to get their take in case a complaint was filed against them
for being downtown in case they disagreed with Joel? 

Your contention is that either; 

Joel told NSA they could not be downtown while telling the BOA they could

OR

NSA is responsible for calling every member of the BOA or City Council to
ensure that Joel's interpretation of the zoning code is correct.

In either case, I do not think that you can hold NSA responsible. 

You have gotten so biased it is getting ridiculous Saundra. And NSA will be
staying downtown and not paying any taxes. 

Take Care,

_DJA

Saundra Lund <sslund at adelphia.net> wrote:

	Donovan wrote:
	"NSA moved because they were asked to by the city. The city said
they could
	move downtown."
	
	Really, Donovan? Cite your source, please, because I'm not aware the
City
	said NSA could move downtown.
	
	Back when the zoning issue was first brought to light, I knew
*nothing* at
	all about zoning in general. So, I started learning about zoning in
Moscow
	:-)
	
	Some of you may remember that last January, I asked some of the same
	questions Mr. Bonte raised again yesterday.
	
	"It's taken me a few days now to get this far -- I don't think I'd
ever
	looked at Moscow's Land Use Regulations
	(http://www.ci.moscow.id.us/citycode/TITLE04/toc.asp) 
	(let alone started actually reading them) until Saturday's paper.
Does
	anyone know how/when the whole Zoning Code comes into play? I'm not
(nor
	have I ever been) a business owner, but if someone was interested in
	purchasing property on Main Street, would they be expected to know
that a
	particular property is zoned CB? Would a realtor inform a potential
buyer
	about the zoning requirements for a specific parcel(s)? Would a
potential
	buyer have contact with anyone from the City *prior* to actually
purchasing
	a specific property for a specific use?"
	
	A Visionarie suggested to me that I actually go look for *myself* at
the
	City's zoning file on NSA, so that's what I did. It's old news now,
of
	course, but I was absolutely shocked to find that (NSA & the Verizon
	building) wasn't the first time NSA had run afoul of zoning. That's
when --
	for me -- the questions I asked above ceased to have much importance
in the
	zoning problem: NSA had no excuse for being ignorant about zoning
regs
	because they'd run into problems previously and had been educated by
City
	staff.
	
	Before learning that, I was more interested in a resolution that
would have
	treated NSA as a genuinely ignorant first time offender, but as my
	granddaddy always used to say, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me
twice,
	shame on me."
	
	And, that's why I ask, Donovan, that you cite your source: ***no
where***
	in all the records did I see the City tell NSA it could move
downtown. If I
	missed something, I'd like to know what I missed & why it wasn't in
the City
	file.
	
	
	TIA,
	Saundra Lund
	Moscow, ID
	
	The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people
to do
	nothing.
	Edmund Burke
	
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Lund.
	Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020
forum
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