[Vision2020] Re: business parking
g. crabtree
jampot at adelphia.net
Thu Dec 15 12:41:03 PST 2005
Today 12/15/05 10:40 A.M. 39 available spaces not counting handicapped or
spaces lost to snow 12:22 P.M. 12 spaces not counting the two available on
fourth st. As you probably know I am downtown extremely often in the course
of my job and have something of a feel for the parking situation. Parking
can be tight, but not appreciably worse now then 4-5 years ago. Pre N.S.A.
GC
----- Original Message -----
From: "B. J. Swanson" <bjswan at moscow.com>
To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:27 AM
Subject: [Vision2020] Re: business parking
>
> Hmmm... Black Friday, NSA not in session, not suprising that there were 22
> empty parking spaces. By NSA's own calculations, they use about 80
> spaces. 22 minus 80 equals -58. It's easy to tell when all Downtown
> parking is taken because then our lot is used by non-bank customers, too.
>
> I cruised Downtown twice yesterday and found NO empty spaces either time.
> I think an independent parking/economic impact study would put this issue
> to rest. Linda Pall suggested the Conditional Use Permit language
> include "...plans, including student enrollment, staff on site, site
> development and future utilization schedules." An excellent idea for ANY
> educational institution that wants to be Downtown.
>
> B. J. Swanson
>
> ------------------------
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: g. crabtree
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 7:28 AM
>> Subject: business parking
>>
>>
>> Mr. Hansen, you would be correct about the "deprived owners" if there
>> were not parking spots thirty steps from any other spot. On "black
>> Friday" at 12:30 P.M. I counted over twenty empty spaces mostly behind
>> the book store and bike shop. If there was truly a problem I don't think
>> this would have been the case.
>>
>> As to your suggestions about meters and/or permits, I think that this
>> would be just fine. However I don't think the merchants would be very
>> enthusiastic.
>>
>> And finally, your humble opinion on my "Christianity." I will again
>> consider the source and file it away with Mrs. Opyr's thoughts on my
>> health, betterment, and general comportment.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tom Hansen
>> To: 'g. crabtree' ; 'Joan Opyr' ; 'Vision2020 Moscow'
>> Cc: 'Linda Pall' ; 'Nancy Chaney' ; 'Lois Blackburn' ; 'John
>> Dickinson'
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:09 AM
>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Business parking
>>
>>
>> Gee, Gee, Gee -
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps the students, "staff", and "faculty" of NSA are legally
>> permitted to park in the Jackson Street parking lot. However, each
>> parking spot occupied by persons, other than owners and customers of
>> retail outlets located on Main Street, deprives the owners of those
>> retail outlets of an opportunity to earn an honest buck.
>>
>>
>>
>> In my humble opinion Christianity entails decency within community
>> support (doing right by your community), a characteristic not directly
>> attributable to your postings and/or suggestions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps one suggestion might be to meter the Jackson Street parking
>> lot. Another might be to require city parking permits (much like UI
>> parking permits).
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>>
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>
>>
>> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
>> arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
>> skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body
>> thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a
>> ride!'"
>>
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>>
>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of g. crabtree
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:07 PM
>> To: Joan Opyr; Vision2020 Moscow
>> Cc: Linda Pall; Nancy Chaney; Lois Blackburn; John Dickinson
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Business parking
>>
>>
>>
>> Ms Opyr, It is amazing how consisantly you almost get it right.
>> Folks in apts. downtown park for days on end in the jackson st. lot and
>> still spare spaces. N.S.A. students come & go as well as shop downtown.
>> The only time parking seems to be difficult is at times N.S.A. is not in
>> session--farmers market & after 5:00 etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Error number two would be that I am not the owner of the Lock Shop.
>> I am but the lowly cook & bottle washer, But thanks for the
>> promotion(aww and you pretend that ya don't like me)
>>
>>
>>
>> Error number three. Faulty comparisons. "Third Street Mall" parking
>> lot is private property. Jackson st. is public. Co-Op customers parked
>> in front of my place of employment all the time, as was their right.
>> There are no signs advising customers of the shopping center not too.
>> The Co-Op was, all in all, a good neighbor and while parking was
>> sometimes tight, we did O.K. I expect it will be the same with our new
>> tennants.
>>
>>
>>
>> With regard to your recomendations for my health and personal
>> betterment, Thank you. I will consider the source and take them under
>> advisement.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Joan Opyr
>>
>> To: Vision2020 Moscow
>>
>> Cc: Linda Pall ; Nancy Chaney ; Lois Blackburn ; John Dickinson
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:03 PM
>>
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Business parking
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14 Dec 2005, at 05:56, g. crabtree wrote:
>>
>> With regard to my brief answer to the question of allowing N.S.A.
>> the right to have it's students and staff park downtown, I really don't
>> see how it could confuse you. It strikes me as massively unfair to
>> single them out for some kind of burdensome parking restriction. All
>> businesses downtown us up parking to one degree or another. Restaurants,
>> coffee shops, and apartments all require parking. I suspect that
>> residents at the Moscow Hotel use up far more parking in the Jackson st.
>> lot than the school does and there is still plenty of left over spaces.
>>
>>
>> The reason NSA should be "singled out" in terms of parking, Mr.
>> Crabtree, is because NSA is not a business. It is a college. Its
>> students don't park for an hour and then leave; they come and park for
>> several hours. Some park in the Jackson lot all day. The businesses
>> dependent on the Jackson lot -- Bookpeople, Paradise Creek Bicycles,
>> Sweet Peas and Sage, the Wild Hare, and the various restaurants in the
>> Central Business District need that parking for their customers. If
>> people can't find parking downtown, then people will stop shopping
>> downtown. They'll go instead to the mall.
>>
>> U of I students and employees pay for the privilege of parking on
>> campus. NSA students pay nothing to park in the Jackson Street lot.
>> What's more, their parking is subsidized by the tax-paying businesses
>> downtown. This is unfair; it's detrimental to downtown retail; and it's
>> a pain in the ass for both customers and shop-keepers. According to city
>> zoning ordinance, NSA should not be in the Central Business District. If
>> the code is amended to allow them to stay, then something must be done
>> to ensure that NSA's 150 to 200 students (their projected growth) don't
>> clog up parking for retail. Surely as the owner of the Lock Shop in the
>> Third Street Mall, you can appreciate having your business parking
>> hogged up by non-customers. For years, Food Co-Op customers parked in
>> front of your shop despite the clear signs asking them not to. (I didn't
>> park in front of your shop; I respected your signs advising me not to. I
>> also didn't want to be towed.)
>>
>> BTW, I apologize for suggesting you might benefit from a dose of
>> Fletcher's Castoria. My friend, Dr. Seuss, has advised me that re: the
>> Mack Trailer Park evictions, constipation is not your problem -- it's
>> just that your heart is four sizes too small. The good doctor suggests a
>> diet of Roast Beast and a rousing chorus of "Bah-hoo Doray" with Cindy
>> Lou Who.
>>
>> Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>> www.joanopyr.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>> Mr. Hansen, you would be correct about the "deprived owners" if
>> there were not parking spots thirty steps from any other spot. On "black
>> Friday" at 12:30 P.M. I counted over twenty empty spaces mostly behind
>> the book store and bike shop. If there was truly a problem I don't think
>> this would have been the case.
>>
>> As to your suggestions about meters and/or permits, I think that
>> this would be just fine. However I don't think the merchants would be
>> very enthusiastic.
>>
>> And finally, your humble opinion on my "Christianity." I will
>> again consider the source and file it away with Mrs. Opyr's thoughts on
>> my health, betterment, and general comportment.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tom Hansen
>> To: 'g. crabtree' ; 'Joan Opyr' ; 'Vision2020 Moscow'
>> Cc: 'Linda Pall' ; 'Nancy Chaney' ; 'Lois Blackburn' ; 'John
>> Dickinson'
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:09 AM
>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Business parking
>>
>>
>> Gee, Gee, Gee -
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps the students, "staff", and "faculty" of NSA are legally
>> permitted to park in the Jackson Street parking lot. However, each
>> parking spot occupied by persons, other than owners and customers of
>> retail outlets located on Main Street, deprives the owners of those
>> retail outlets of an opportunity to earn an honest buck.
>>
>>
>>
>> In my humble opinion Christianity entails decency within
>> community support (doing right by your community), a characteristic not
>> directly attributable to your postings and/or suggestions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps one suggestion might be to meter the Jackson Street
>> parking lot. Another might be to require city parking permits (much
>> like UI parking permits).
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>>
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>
>>
>> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention
>> of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather
>> to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body
>> thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a
>> ride!'"
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of g. crabtree
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:07 PM
>> To: Joan Opyr; Vision2020 Moscow
>> Cc: Linda Pall; Nancy Chaney; Lois Blackburn; John Dickinson
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Business parking
>>
>>
>>
>> Ms Opyr, It is amazing how consisantly you almost get it right.
>> Folks in apts. downtown park for days on end in the jackson st. lot and
>> still spare spaces. N.S.A. students come & go as well as shop downtown.
>> The only time parking seems to be difficult is at times N.S.A. is not in
>> session--farmers market & after 5:00 etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Error number two would be that I am not the owner of the Lock
>> Shop. I am but the lowly cook & bottle washer, But thanks for the
>> promotion(aww and you pretend that ya don't like me)
>>
>>
>>
>> Error number three. Faulty comparisons. "Third Street Mall"
>> parking lot is private property. Jackson st. is public. Co-Op customers
>> parked in front of my place of employment all the time, as was their
>> right. There are no signs advising customers of the shopping center not
>> too. The Co-Op was, all in all, a good neighbor and while parking was
>> sometimes tight, we did O.K. I expect it will be the same with our new
>> tennants.
>>
>>
>>
>> With regard to your recomendations for my health and personal
>> betterment, Thank you. I will consider the source and take them under
>> advisement.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Joan Opyr
>>
>> To: Vision2020 Moscow
>>
>> Cc: Linda Pall ; Nancy Chaney ; Lois Blackburn ; John
>> Dickinson
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:03 PM
>>
>> Subject: [Vision2020] Business parking
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14 Dec 2005, at 05:56, g. crabtree wrote:
>>
>> With regard to my brief answer to the question of allowing
>> N.S.A. the right to have it's students and staff park downtown, I really
>> don't see how it could confuse you. It strikes me as massively unfair to
>> single them out for some kind of burdensome parking restriction. All
>> businesses downtown us up parking to one degree or another. Restaurants,
>> coffee shops, and apartments all require parking. I suspect that
>> residents at the Moscow Hotel use up far more parking in the Jackson st.
>> lot than the school does and there is still plenty of left over spaces.
>>
>>
>> The reason NSA should be "singled out" in terms of parking,
>> Mr. Crabtree, is because NSA is not a business. It is a college. Its
>> students don't park for an hour and then leave; they come and park for
>> several hours. Some park in the Jackson lot all day. The businesses
>> dependent on the Jackson lot -- Bookpeople, Paradise Creek Bicycles,
>> Sweet Peas and Sage, the Wild Hare, and the various restaurants in the
>> Central Business District need that parking for their customers. If
>> people can't find parking downtown, then people will stop shopping
>> downtown. They'll go instead to the mall.
>>
>> U of I students and employees pay for the privilege of parking
>> on campus. NSA students pay nothing to park in the Jackson Street lot.
>> What's more, their parking is subsidized by the tax-paying businesses
>> downtown. This is unfair; it's detrimental to downtown retail; and it's
>> a pain in the ass for both customers and shop-keepers. According to city
>> zoning ordinance, NSA should not be in the Central Business District. If
>> the code is amended to allow them to stay, then something must be done
>> to ensure that NSA's 150 to 200 students (their projected growth) don't
>> clog up parking for retail. Surely as the owner of the Lock Shop in the
>> Third Street Mall, you can appreciate having your business parking
>> hogged up by non-customers. For years, Food Co-Op customers parked in
>> front of your shop despite the clear signs asking them not to. (I didn't
>> park in front of your shop; I respected your signs advising me not to. I
>> also didn't want to be towed.)
>>
>> BTW, I apologize for suggesting you might benefit from a dose
>> of Fletcher's Castoria. My friend, Dr. Seuss, has advised me that re:
>> the Mack Trailer Park evictions, constipation is not your problem --
>> it's just that your heart is four sizes too small. The good doctor
>> suggests a diet of Roast Beast and a rousing chorus of "Bah-hoo Doray"
>> with Cindy Lou Who.
>>
>> Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
>> www.joanopyr.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _____________________________________________________
>> List services made available by First Step Internet,
>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
>> http://www.fsr.net
>> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
>>
>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯> ¯¯¯
>>
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