[Vision2020] Re: business parking
B. J. Swanson
bjswan at moscow.com
Thu Dec 15 09:27:30 PST 2005
Hmmm... Black Friday, NSA not in session, not suprising that there were 22
empty parking spaces. By NSA's own calculations, they use about 80
spaces. 22 minus 80 equals -58. It's easy to tell when all Downtown
parking is taken because then our lot is used by non-bank customers, too.
I cruised Downtown twice yesterday and found NO empty spaces either time.
I think an independent parking/economic impact study would put this issue
to rest. Linda Pall suggested the Conditional Use Permit language
include "...plans, including student enrollment, staff on site, site
development and future utilization schedules." An excellent idea for ANY
educational institution that wants to be Downtown.
B. J. Swanson
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: g. crabtree
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 7:28 AM
> Subject: business parking
>
>
> Mr. Hansen, you would be correct about the "deprived owners" if there
> were not parking spots thirty steps from any other spot. On "black
> Friday" at 12:30 P.M. I counted over twenty empty spaces mostly behind
> the book store and bike shop. If there was truly a problem I don't think
> this would have been the case.
>
> As to your suggestions about meters and/or permits, I think that this
> would be just fine. However I don't think the merchants would be very
> enthusiastic.
>
> And finally, your humble opinion on my "Christianity." I will again
> consider the source and file it away with Mrs. Opyr's thoughts on my
> health, betterment, and general comportment.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Hansen
> To: 'g. crabtree' ; 'Joan Opyr' ; 'Vision2020 Moscow'
> Cc: 'Linda Pall' ; 'Nancy Chaney' ; 'Lois Blackburn' ; 'John
> Dickinson'
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:09 AM
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Business parking
>
>
> Gee, Gee, Gee -
>
>
>
> Perhaps the students, "staff", and "faculty" of NSA are legally
> permitted to park in the Jackson Street parking lot. However, each
> parking spot occupied by persons, other than owners and customers of
> retail outlets located on Main Street, deprives the owners of those
> retail outlets of an opportunity to earn an honest buck.
>
>
>
> In my humble opinion Christianity entails decency within community
> support (doing right by your community), a characteristic not directly
> attributable to your postings and/or suggestions.
>
>
>
> Perhaps one suggestion might be to meter the Jackson Street parking
> lot. Another might be to require city parking permits (much like UI
> parking permits).
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
> arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
> skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body
> thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a
> ride!'"
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of g. crabtree
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:07 PM
> To: Joan Opyr; Vision2020 Moscow
> Cc: Linda Pall; Nancy Chaney; Lois Blackburn; John Dickinson
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Business parking
>
>
>
> Ms Opyr, It is amazing how consisantly you almost get it right.
> Folks in apts. downtown park for days on end in the jackson st. lot and
> still spare spaces. N.S.A. students come & go as well as shop downtown.
> The only time parking seems to be difficult is at times N.S.A. is not in
> session--farmers market & after 5:00 etc.
>
>
>
> Error number two would be that I am not the owner of the Lock Shop.
> I am but the lowly cook & bottle washer, But thanks for the
> promotion(aww and you pretend that ya don't like me)
>
>
>
> Error number three. Faulty comparisons. "Third Street Mall" parking
> lot is private property. Jackson st. is public. Co-Op customers parked
> in front of my place of employment all the time, as was their right.
> There are no signs advising customers of the shopping center not too.
> The Co-Op was, all in all, a good neighbor and while parking was
> sometimes tight, we did O.K. I expect it will be the same with our new
> tennants.
>
>
>
> With regard to your recomendations for my health and personal
> betterment, Thank you. I will consider the source and take them under
> advisement.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Joan Opyr
>
> To: Vision2020 Moscow
>
> Cc: Linda Pall ; Nancy Chaney ; Lois Blackburn ; John Dickinson
>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:03 PM
>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Business parking
>
>
>
> On 14 Dec 2005, at 05:56, g. crabtree wrote:
>
> With regard to my brief answer to the question of allowing N.S.A.
> the right to have it's students and staff park downtown, I really don't
> see how it could confuse you. It strikes me as massively unfair to
> single them out for some kind of burdensome parking restriction. All
> businesses downtown us up parking to one degree or another. Restaurants,
> coffee shops, and apartments all require parking. I suspect that
> residents at the Moscow Hotel use up far more parking in the Jackson st.
> lot than the school does and there is still plenty of left over spaces.
>
>
> The reason NSA should be "singled out" in terms of parking, Mr.
> Crabtree, is because NSA is not a business. It is a college. Its
> students don't park for an hour and then leave; they come and park for
> several hours. Some park in the Jackson lot all day. The businesses
> dependent on the Jackson lot -- Bookpeople, Paradise Creek Bicycles,
> Sweet Peas and Sage, the Wild Hare, and the various restaurants in the
> Central Business District need that parking for their customers. If
> people can't find parking downtown, then people will stop shopping
> downtown. They'll go instead to the mall.
>
> U of I students and employees pay for the privilege of parking on
> campus. NSA students pay nothing to park in the Jackson Street lot.
> What's more, their parking is subsidized by the tax-paying businesses
> downtown. This is unfair; it's detrimental to downtown retail; and it's
> a pain in the ass for both customers and shop-keepers. According to city
> zoning ordinance, NSA should not be in the Central Business District. If
> the code is amended to allow them to stay, then something must be done
> to ensure that NSA's 150 to 200 students (their projected growth) don't
> clog up parking for retail. Surely as the owner of the Lock Shop in the
> Third Street Mall, you can appreciate having your business parking
> hogged up by non-customers. For years, Food Co-Op customers parked in
> front of your shop despite the clear signs asking them not to. (I didn't
> park in front of your shop; I respected your signs advising me not to. I
> also didn't want to be towed.)
>
> BTW, I apologize for suggesting you might benefit from a dose of
> Fletcher's Castoria. My friend, Dr. Seuss, has advised me that re: the
> Mack Trailer Park evictions, constipation is not your problem -- it's
> just that your heart is four sizes too small. The good doctor suggests a
> diet of Roast Beast and a rousing chorus of "Bah-hoo Doray" with Cindy
> Lou Who.
>
> Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
> www.joanopyr.com
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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> Mr. Hansen, you would be correct about the "deprived owners" if
> there were not parking spots thirty steps from any other spot. On "black
> Friday" at 12:30 P.M. I counted over twenty empty spaces mostly behind
> the book store and bike shop. If there was truly a problem I don't think
> this would have been the case.
>
> As to your suggestions about meters and/or permits, I think that
> this would be just fine. However I don't think the merchants would be
> very enthusiastic.
>
> And finally, your humble opinion on my "Christianity." I will
> again consider the source and file it away with Mrs. Opyr's thoughts on
> my health, betterment, and general comportment.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Hansen
> To: 'g. crabtree' ; 'Joan Opyr' ; 'Vision2020 Moscow'
> Cc: 'Linda Pall' ; 'Nancy Chaney' ; 'Lois Blackburn' ; 'John
> Dickinson'
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:09 AM
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Business parking
>
>
> Gee, Gee, Gee -
>
>
>
> Perhaps the students, "staff", and "faculty" of NSA are legally
> permitted to park in the Jackson Street parking lot. However, each
> parking spot occupied by persons, other than owners and customers of
> retail outlets located on Main Street, deprives the owners of those
> retail outlets of an opportunity to earn an honest buck.
>
>
>
> In my humble opinion Christianity entails decency within
> community support (doing right by your community), a characteristic not
> directly attributable to your postings and/or suggestions.
>
>
>
> Perhaps one suggestion might be to meter the Jackson Street
> parking lot. Another might be to require city parking permits (much
> like UI parking permits).
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention
> of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather
> to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a drink in the other, body
> thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a
> ride!'"
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of g. crabtree
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:07 PM
> To: Joan Opyr; Vision2020 Moscow
> Cc: Linda Pall; Nancy Chaney; Lois Blackburn; John Dickinson
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Business parking
>
>
>
> Ms Opyr, It is amazing how consisantly you almost get it right.
> Folks in apts. downtown park for days on end in the jackson st. lot and
> still spare spaces. N.S.A. students come & go as well as shop downtown.
> The only time parking seems to be difficult is at times N.S.A. is not in
> session--farmers market & after 5:00 etc.
>
>
>
> Error number two would be that I am not the owner of the Lock
> Shop. I am but the lowly cook & bottle washer, But thanks for the
> promotion(aww and you pretend that ya don't like me)
>
>
>
> Error number three. Faulty comparisons. "Third Street Mall"
> parking lot is private property. Jackson st. is public. Co-Op customers
> parked in front of my place of employment all the time, as was their
> right. There are no signs advising customers of the shopping center not
> too. The Co-Op was, all in all, a good neighbor and while parking was
> sometimes tight, we did O.K. I expect it will be the same with our new
> tennants.
>
>
>
> With regard to your recomendations for my health and personal
> betterment, Thank you. I will consider the source and take them under
> advisement.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Joan Opyr
>
> To: Vision2020 Moscow
>
> Cc: Linda Pall ; Nancy Chaney ; Lois Blackburn ; John
> Dickinson
>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:03 PM
>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Business parking
>
>
>
> On 14 Dec 2005, at 05:56, g. crabtree wrote:
>
> With regard to my brief answer to the question of allowing
> N.S.A. the right to have it's students and staff park downtown, I really
> don't see how it could confuse you. It strikes me as massively unfair to
> single them out for some kind of burdensome parking restriction. All
> businesses downtown us up parking to one degree or another. Restaurants,
> coffee shops, and apartments all require parking. I suspect that
> residents at the Moscow Hotel use up far more parking in the Jackson st.
> lot than the school does and there is still plenty of left over spaces.
>
>
> The reason NSA should be "singled out" in terms of parking,
> Mr. Crabtree, is because NSA is not a business. It is a college. Its
> students don't park for an hour and then leave; they come and park for
> several hours. Some park in the Jackson lot all day. The businesses
> dependent on the Jackson lot -- Bookpeople, Paradise Creek Bicycles,
> Sweet Peas and Sage, the Wild Hare, and the various restaurants in the
> Central Business District need that parking for their customers. If
> people can't find parking downtown, then people will stop shopping
> downtown. They'll go instead to the mall.
>
> U of I students and employees pay for the privilege of parking
> on campus. NSA students pay nothing to park in the Jackson Street lot.
> What's more, their parking is subsidized by the tax-paying businesses
> downtown. This is unfair; it's detrimental to downtown retail; and it's
> a pain in the ass for both customers and shop-keepers. According to city
> zoning ordinance, NSA should not be in the Central Business District. If
> the code is amended to allow them to stay, then something must be done
> to ensure that NSA's 150 to 200 students (their projected growth) don't
> clog up parking for retail. Surely as the owner of the Lock Shop in the
> Third Street Mall, you can appreciate having your business parking
> hogged up by non-customers. For years, Food Co-Op customers parked in
> front of your shop despite the clear signs asking them not to. (I didn't
> park in front of your shop; I respected your signs advising me not to. I
> also didn't want to be towed.)
>
> BTW, I apologize for suggesting you might benefit from a dose
> of Fletcher's Castoria. My friend, Dr. Seuss, has advised me that re:
> the Mack Trailer Park evictions, constipation is not your problem --
> it's just that your heart is four sizes too small. The good doctor
> suggests a diet of Roast Beast and a rousing chorus of "Bah-hoo Doray"
> with Cindy Lou Who.
>
> Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
> www.joanopyr.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _____________________________________________________
> List services made available by First Step Internet,
> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
> http://www.fsr.net
> mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯> ¯¯¯
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