[Vision2020] Grunt's-Eye View

[Pat Kraut]

Do you actually read everything that Donovan writes?? I do not, I delete it!
What's more I have a deep conviction that what others write about other
posters on this site is very untrue so pay little attention to anything that
smacks of personal attacks. I did not know this about you and it was not my
intention to insult you. I thought it was more of the 'hate Bush and blame
him for every wrong no matter what the truth is' stuff. And once again...you
still don't know anything about me and you may well be one of the last
people I would share with and certainly not on this site. The cruelty
perpetrated toward others by so many on this site is amazing in our
politically correct world. I joined this site for concern for my city. I am
learning that this site has nothing to do with concern for Moscow only for
the personal agendas of most of those who post here. I work very hard to
keep my knowledge of those who post here at a very surface level. I was not
my intention to insult you nor to incite one of the personal attacks that
this site is infamous for thoughout the city.
Once again, Thank you for serving



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
To: "'Pat Kraut'" <pkraut at moscow.com>; "'vision2020'"
<vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 6:39 AM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Grunt's-Eye View


Ms. Kraut -

My military service is common knowledge on V2020.  The fact that I am
disably retired from the Army is also common knowledge on V2020.  These have
been discussed on the V2020 listserve countless times.

For you to hide behind "I didn't know" and "I was simply asking a question"
is lacking any semblance of maturity and/or responsibility.

And then you go on to ignorantly claim:

" . . . it is irrational of you to be hurt by someone that does not know
anything about you . . . "

This goes beyond any rationality at all.  Judging by your statement, it is
acceptable to make claims against somebody that you have no knowledge.  Is
this your measure of responsibility?

The truth, Ms. Kraut, is that you are NOT a new member to V2020.  You have
been with V2020 at least since Arnold made jokes of my military service
(Remember that discussion concerning Fort Irwin, Arnold?).  You have been
with V2020 at least since January 2005 when we 49-percenters held a rally at
Friendship Square and were called unpatriotic by some political figure (I
forget his name) right her on V2020.  That led to me discussing my military
service and reflecting on my disability again for the umpteenth time.

So, Ms. Kraut, don't hide behind any rocks that simply do not exist, ok?

Enough said.

Take care, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

PS - You can take back your "Thank you for serving" comment.  Like many of
your other comments, it lacks honesty.

"Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the tranquil
and steady dedication of a lifetime."

--Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.

-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Pat Kraut
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:22 PM
To: vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grunt's-Eye View

You have been so active in the 'hate Bush' at all cost that I just wanted to
know. I actually asked a straight forward question as I have no idea who you
are...just as you do not know much about me. Therefore, it is irrational of
you to be hurt by someone that does not know anything about you except for
what you or I have shared on this site. And I am fairly new so do not know
anything that was written before I joined.
Thank you for serving
PK