[Vision2020] Maybe it's the Percoset talking but . . .

Sat Dec 3 06:08:05 PST 2005

  Despite my complaints about the administration  at Gritman, one cannot file malpractice suits against the staff at  Gritman for not being able to fix all that is wrong with Joan Opyr.  Modern medicine and a well trained medical team can only do so much.

              Her  testimony is evidence of how well the medical team at Gritman can  perform lobotomies as her attacks to arguments I NEVER made were  addressed in her latest post and her obvious ignorance about NAs, CNAs,  LPNs, RNs, and BSNs.
            Joan erroneously writes:

            WSU, LCSC, and Walla    Walla are not churning out LPNs.  It's BSN or nothing these days.”

            BULL. Lewis and Clark,   Boise  State University,  Walla Walla Nursing  School in Clarkston, Walla   Walla in Walla Walla, Apollo College  in Boise,  all have LPN programs as well as RN programs. Most community colleges  do not even offer BSNs, only RNs (Associates in Nursing). Most states  and most programs that offer RN degrees offer a CPN, (certified  Practical) LPN or LVN (Vocational) after just 1 ½ years of study, LCSC,  Walla    Walla, and BSU are examples. WSU only offers a RN-to-BSN  program,   which is the last two years of a BSN program. Apollo College  just started offering a LPN program. Check yourself:

            http://nursing.boisestate.edu/Resources/Advanced%20Placement%20LPN%20Application%20F05.pdf

            http://www.lcsc.edu/nurdiv/pn/default.htm

            http://www.wwcc.edu/programs/proftech/NURS/degree_sequence.cfm?cc=200&dc=NURS&EPC=326

            More showing of Opyr ignorance:

            “Even if Gritman wanted to use LPNs, where would they find  them?”

            Well  see, the Idaho Board of Nursing actually keeps tract of who has a  nursing degree, a RN, LPN, or BSN, or who is even a CNA. They do not  let anyone just stab you in the ass with a needle, even in Idaho.  So if want to find a LPN in Idaho you write the Idaho State Board of  Nursing (http://www2.state.id.us/ibn/index.htm) and get a list that  tells you the name, address, and current place of occupation for anyone  in the nursing field. If you live in a modern state like Oregon, you can do an  online search from your house, like here:

            http://www.osbn.state.or.us/search/searchResults-submit.do

            My  arguments are not against nurses, as Opyr tries to claim, they are for  them. Gritman’s administration purposely creates positions that are  under 24 hours a week (check your self here:  http://www.gritman.org/careers/careers.asp) because that is the point  at which nurses obtain medical and retirement benefits. Joan and BJ  Swanson defend this behavior, and I think that is abhorrent. 

            BJ  Swanson, Chair of the Board Directors for Gritman, said that their 400  employees only amount to 282 full time jobs at an average pay rate of  $20.77 per hour  (http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-November/022424.html).  The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports the average salary for a nurse  is about $50,000. 

            (http://allnurses.com/forums/f8/registered-nurses-bureau-labor-statistics-102710.html  or
            http://www3.ccps.virginia.edu/career_prospects/briefs/P-S/RNs.shtml#earnings)

            Simple  8th grade algebra, (I know Joan will not understand this since she  could even do division for student per sq foot with the proposed high  school, but that is OK because I will give her the answer anyway) will  tell you that means the average worker at Gritman gets only 24.5 hours  of work a week. That is an annual salary of $25,443. That is less than  the pitiful salaries they were complaining a starting teacher gets at  MSD, minus the summers off. Funny how Joan complains about the teachers  being underpaid but is fine with nurses making the same wages or less. 

            The wages for nurses at only   20 hours a week at Gritman are  not enough to pay the bills and live in Moscow.  Opyr and BJ want to deny this reality and joke about it, but the truth  is painfully obvious that nurses at Gritman are grossly unpaid. Ask any  nurse you know in Moscow  if they believe that nurses are not grossly underpaid.

            -DJA

Janesta Carcich <janestacarcich at yahoo.com> wrote:  Hi,

Donavan, I don't know if I am the only one, but your
text isn't "wrapping" correctly. It just goes in one
HUGE long line.

Just thought you might want to know!

Happy Holidays,
Janesta

--- Donovan Arnold 
wrote:

>     Despite my complaints about the administration
> at Gritman,  one cannot file malpractice suits
> against the staff at Gritman for not being  able to
> fix all that is wrong with Joan Opyr. Modern
> medicine and a well  trained medical team can only
> do so much. 
>       Her testimony is evidence of how well the
> medical team at Gritman  can perform lobotomies as
> her attacks to arguments I NEVER made were addressed
>  in her latest post and her obvious ignorance about
> NAs, CNAs, LPNs, RNs, and  BSNs have illustrated..
>       
> Joan erroneously writes:
>   
> "WSU, LCSC, and Walla Walla are not churning out
> LPNs.  It's BSN or nothing these days.”
>   
> BULL. Lewis and Clark, Boise State University, Walla
> Walla Nursing School in Clarkston, Walla Walla in
> Walla Walla, Apollo College in Boise, all have LPN
> programs as well as RN programs. Most community
> colleges do not even offer BSNs, only RNs
> (Associates in Nursing). Most states and most
> programs that offer RN degrees offer a CPN,
> (certified Practical) LPN or LVN (Vocational) after
> just 1 ½ years of study, LCSC, Walla Walla, and BSU
> are examples. WSU only offers a RN-to-BSN program,
> which is the last two years of a BSN program. Apollo
> College just started offering a LPN program. Check
> yourself:
> 
>   
>
http://nursing.boisestate.edu/Resources/Advanced%20Placement%20LPN%20Application%20F05.pdf
>   
>  
>   
> http://www.lcsc.edu/nurdiv/pn/default.htm
>   
>  
>   
>
http://www.wwcc.edu/programs/proftech/NURS/degree_sequence.cfm?cc=200&dc=NURS&EPC=326
>   
>  
>   
> 
> 
>   
> More showing of Opyr ignorance:
>   
>  
>   
> “Even if Gritman wanted to use LPNs, where would
> they find them?”
>   
>  
>   
> Well see, the Idaho Board of Nursing actually keeps
> tract of who has a nursing degree, a RN, LPN, or
> BSN, or who is even a CNA. They do not let anyone
> just stab you in the ass with a needle, even in
> Idaho. So if want to find a LPN in Idaho you write
> the Idaho State Board of Nursing
> (http://www2.state.id.us/ibn/index.htm) and get a
> list that tells you the name, address, and current
> place of occupation for anyone in the nursing field.
> If you live in a modern state like Oregon, you can
> do an online search from your house, like here:
>   
>  
>   
>
http://www.osbn.state.or.us/search/searchResults-submit.do
>   My arguments are not against nurses, as Opyr tries
> to claim,  they are for them. Gritman’s
> administration purposely creates positions that  are
> under 24 hours a week (check your self here:
> http://www.gritman.org/careers/careers.asp)  because
> that is the point at which nurses obtain medical and
> retirement benefits.  Joan and BJ Swanson defend
> this behavior, and I think that is abhorrent. 
>        
>       BJ Swanson, Chair of the Board Directors for
> Gritman, said  that their 400 employees only amount
> to 282 full time jobs at an average pay rate  of
> $20.77 per hour
>
(http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-November/022424.html).
>  The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports the average
> salary for a nurse is about $50,000.  
>        
>      
>
(http://allnurses.com/forums/f8/registered-nurses-bureau-labor-statistics-102710.html
>  or
>      
>
http://www3.ccps.virginia.edu/career_prospects/briefs/P-S/RNs.shtml#earnings)
>       Simple 8th grade algebra, (I know Joan will
> not  understand this since she could even do
> division for student per sq foot with  the proposed
> high school, but that is OK because I will give her
> the answer  anyway) will tell you that means the
> average worker at Gritman gets only 24.5  hours of
> work a week. That is an annual salary of $25,443.
> That is less than  the pitiful salaries they were
> complaining a starting teacher gets at MSD,  minus
> the summers off. Funny how Joan complains about the
> teachers being  underpaid but is fine with nurses
> making the same wages or less. 
>        
>       The wages for nurses at only 20 hours a week
> at Gritman are  not enough to pay the bills and live
> in Moscow.  Opyr and BJ want to deny this reality
> and joke about it, but the truth is  painfully
> obvious that nurses at Gritman are grossly unpaid.
> Ask any nurse you  know in Moscow  if they believe
> that nurses are being paid a fair salary..
>           -DJA
>     
> 
> Joan Opyr  wrote:  Dear
> Visionaries,
> 
> I'm fresh out of Gritman Hospital, where I had my
> gallbladder removed 
> the old-fashioned way, i.e., not laparascopically. 
> I've got an 
> eight-inch incision and two endoscopic test holes,
> which have been 
> closed collectively by 23 shiny surgical staples and
> one ugly suture.  
> Ouch.  But I survived, and I am here to attest that
> despite Donovan's 
> ignorant, dire, haberdashical ranting, Gritman is
> well-stocked with 
> RNs, and these RNs are, in fact, paid significantly
> more than the 
> average Wal-Mart greeter.  The ones I chatted with
> laughed at the 
> suggestion that there might be some comparison. 
> There is an acute 
> nursing shortage in the United States.  California
> is paying nurses 
> $10,000 bonuses (in addition to their regular pay)
> to sign up for 
> three-month visiting stints at public hospitals. 
> Gritman is working 
> hard to attract and retain qualified RNs, and it's
> doing a good job.  
> As for Donovan's charge that Gritman is using and
> abusing LPNs, 
> poppycock.  During my six-day stint on the Med-Surg
> ward, I was cared 
> for by RNs -- medication, evaluation, and
> consultation -- and CNAs, who 
> took vitals, helped with the cleaning up, and
> measured the I & O, 
> meaning they recorded and emptied the little urine
> "hat" on my toilet.  
> Even if Gritman wanted to use LPNs, where would they
> find them?  WSU, 
> LCSC, and Walla Walla are not churning out LPNs. 
> It's BSN or nothing 
> these days.  (I think there's still an LPN program
> up in Canada, but 
> Canada also has socialized medicine.  And caribou. 
> And people who 
> speak French.)
> 
> I can also testify that the doctors who practice at
> Gritman are most 
> definitely NOT paid by the hospital.  Oh, no.  The
> doctors bill the 
> patient separately -- separately, independently, and
> eye-poppingly.  
> Technically, I'm taking Percoset for incision pain;
> really, I'm taking 
> it for wallet pain.  (Note to Michael Metzler: you
> need to ask yourself 
> why you're paying Doug Wilson thousands of dollars
> to teach you how to 
> make the same argument for the "nobility" of the Old
> South that David 
> O. Selznick made during the first reel of "Gone With
> The Wind."  What a 
> scam!  Listen, take your money and enroll in the
> WAMI Program.  You'll 
> learn how to carve people into small, painful pieces
> and have them pay 
> you for the privilege.  It's true that you can also
> do that through 
> religion, but at the moment, you're on the short end
> of that particular 
> stick.  Doug has cornered the local market.  You
> can't practice in 
> Moscow; you'll need to move somewhere like Monroe,
> Louisiana or Cary, 
> North Carolina, or . . . no, wait.  Damn.  You're
> screwed.)
> 
> All of which brings me to a point, of sorts.  I've
> been out of 
> commission for more than a week.  I have, like Rip
> Van Winkle, been 
> asleep.  But now I'm awake, and what do I find? 
> Here 
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