<div id="RTEContent"> <div class="MsoNormal">Despite my complaints about the administration at Gritman, one cannot file malpractice suits against the staff at Gritman for not being able to fix all that is wrong with Joan Opyr. Modern medicine and a well trained medical team can only do so much.<br> <br> </div> <div class="MsoNormal">Her testimony is evidence of how well the medical team at Gritman can perform lobotomies as her attacks to arguments I NEVER made were addressed in her latest post and her obvious ignorance about NAs, CNAs, LPNs, RNs, and BSNs.</div> <div class="MsoNormal">Joan erroneously writes:</div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">WSU, LCSC, and <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Walla Walla</st1:place></st1:city> are not churning out LPNs.<span style=""> </span>It's BSN or nothing these days.</div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p>!
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<div class="MsoNormal">BULL. Lewis and Clark, <st1:placename w:st="on">Boise</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">State</st1:placetype> <st1:placetype w:st="on">University</st1:placetype>, <st1:placename w:st="on">Walla Walla</st1:placename> <st1:placename w:st="on">Nursing</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">School</st1:placetype> in Clarkston, <st1:city w:st="on">Walla Walla</st1:city> in <st1:city w:st="on">Walla Walla</st1:city>, <st1:placename w:st="on">Apollo</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">College</st1:placetype> in <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Boise</st1:place></st1:city>, all have LPN programs as well as RN programs. Most community colleges do not even offer BSNs, only RNs (Associates in Nursing). Most states and most programs that offer RN degrees offer a CPN, (certified Practical) LPN or LVN (Vocational) after just 1 ½ years of study, LCSC, <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Walla Walla</st1:place></st1:!
city>,
and BSU are examples. WSU only offers a RN-to-BSN program, which is the last two years of a BSN program. <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">Apollo</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">College</st1:placetype></st1:place> just started offering a LPN program. Check yourself:</div> <div class="MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><a target="_blank" href="http://nursing.boisestate.edu/Resources/Advanced%20Placement%20LPN%20Application%20F05.pdf">http://nursing.boisestate.edu/Resources/Advanced%20Placement%20LPN%20Application%20F05.pdf</a></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.lcsc.edu/nurdiv/pn/default.htm">http://www.lcsc.edu/nurdiv/pn/default.htm</a></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><a target="_blank"
href="http://www.wwcc.edu/programs/proftech/NURS/degree_sequence.cfm?cc=200&dc=NURS&EPC=326">http://www.wwcc.edu/programs/proftech/NURS/degree_sequence.cfm?cc=200&dc=NURS&EPC=326</a></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">More showing of Opyr ignorance:</div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Even if Gritman wanted to use LPNs, where would they find them?</div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Well see, the Idaho Board of Nursing actually keeps tract of who has a nursing degree, a RN, LPN, or BSN, or who is even a CNA. They do not let anyone just stab you in the ass with a needle, even in <st1:state
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Idaho</st1:place></st1:state>. So if want to find a LPN in Idaho you write the Idaho State Board of Nursing (http://www2.state.id.us/ibn/index.htm) and get a list that tells you the name, address, and current place of occupation for anyone in the nursing field. If you live in a modern state like <st1:state w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Oregon</st1:place></st1:state>, you can do an online search from your house, like here:</div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">http://www.osbn.state.or.us/search/searchResults-submit.do</div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">My arguments are not against nurses, as Opyr tries to claim, they are for them. Gritmans administration purposely creates positions that are under 24 !
hours a
week (check your self here: http://www.gritman.org/careers/careers.asp) because that is the point at which nurses obtain medical and retirement benefits. Joan and BJ Swanson defend this behavior, and I think that is abhorrent. </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">BJ Swanson, Chair of the Board Directors for Gritman, said that their 400 employees only amount to 282 full time jobs at an average pay rate of $20.77 per hour (http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-November/022424.html). The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports the average salary for a nurse is about $50,000. </div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">(<a target="_blank" href="http://allnurses.com/forums/f8/registered-nurses-bureau-labor-statistics-102710.html">http://allnurses.com/forums/f8/registered-nurses-bureau-labor-statistics-102710.html</a> or</div> <div
class="MsoNormal"><a target="_blank" href="http://www3.ccps.virginia.edu/career_prospects/briefs/P-S/RNs.shtml#earnings">http://www3.ccps.virginia.edu/career_prospects/briefs/P-S/RNs.shtml#earnings</a>)</div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">Simple 8th grade algebra, (I know Joan will not understand this since she could even do division for student per sq foot with the proposed high school, but that is OK because I will give her the answer anyway) will tell you that means the average worker at Gritman gets only 24.5 hours of work a week. That is an annual salary of $25,443. That is less than the pitiful salaries they were complaining a starting teacher gets at MSD, minus the summers off. Funny how Joan complains about the teachers being underpaid but is fine with nurses making the same wages or less. </div> <div
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">The wages for nurses at only 20 hours a week at Gritman are not enough to pay the bills and live in <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:city>. Opyr and BJ want to deny this reality and joke about it, but the truth is painfully obvious that nurses at Gritman are grossly unpaid. Ask any nurse you know in <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:city> if they believe that nurses are not grossly underpaid.</div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal">-DJA</div> <br><br><b><i>Janesta Carcich <janestacarcich@yahoo.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Hi,<br><br>Donavan, I don't know if I am the only one, but your<br>text isn't "wrapping" correctly. It just goes in one<br>HUGE long line.<br><b!
r>Just
thought you might want to know!<br><br>Happy Holidays,<br>Janesta<br><br>--- Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 @yahoo.com=""><br>wrote:<br><br>> Despite my complaints about the administration<br>> at Gritman, one cannot file malpractice suits<br>> against the staff at Gritman for not being able to<br>> fix all that is wrong with Joan Opyr. Modern<br>> medicine and a well trained medical team can only<br>> do so much. <br>> Her testimony is evidence of how well the<br>> medical team at Gritman can perform lobotomies as<br>> her attacks to arguments I NEVER made were addressed<br>> in her latest post and her obvious ignorance about<br>> NAs, CNAs, LPNs, RNs, and BSNs have illustrated..<br>> <br>> Joan erroneously writes:<br>> <br>> "WSU, LCSC, and Walla Walla are not churning out<br>> LPNs. It's BSN or nothing these days.<br>> <br>> BULL. Lewis and Clark, Boise State University, Walla<br>> W!
alla
Nursing School in Clarkston, Walla Walla in<br>> Walla Walla, Apollo College in Boise, all have LPN<br>> programs as well as RN programs. Most community<br>> colleges do not even offer BSNs, only RNs<br>> (Associates in Nursing). Most states and most<br>> programs that offer RN degrees offer a CPN,<br>> (certified Practical) LPN or LVN (Vocational) after<br>> just 1 ½ years of study, LCSC, Walla Walla, and BSU<br>> are examples. WSU only offers a RN-to-BSN program,<br>> which is the last two years of a BSN program. Apollo<br>> College just started offering a LPN program. Check<br>> yourself:<br>> <br>> <br>><br>http://nursing.boisestate.edu/Resources/Advanced%20Placement%20LPN%20Application%20F05.pdf<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> http://www.lcsc.edu/nurdiv/pn/default.htm<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>><br>http://www.wwcc.edu/programs/proftech/NURS/degree_sequence.cfm?cc=200&dc=NURS&EPC=326<br>> <br>&!
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<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> More showing of Opyr ignorance:<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Even if Gritman wanted to use LPNs, where would<br>> they find them?<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Well see, the Idaho Board of Nursing actually keeps<br>> tract of who has a nursing degree, a RN, LPN, or<br>> BSN, or who is even a CNA. They do not let anyone<br>> just stab you in the ass with a needle, even in<br>> Idaho. So if want to find a LPN in Idaho you write<br>> the Idaho State Board of Nursing<br>> (http://www2.state.id.us/ibn/index.htm) and get a<br>> list that tells you the name, address, and current<br>> place of occupation for anyone in the nursing field.<br>> If you live in a modern state like Oregon, you can<br>> do an online search from your house, like here:<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>><br>http://www.osbn.state.or.us/search/searchResults-submit.do<br>> My arguments are not agai!
nst
nurses, as Opyr tries<br>> to claim, they are for them. Gritmans<br>> administration purposely creates positions that are<br>> under 24 hours a week (check your self here:<br>> http://www.gritman.org/careers/careers.asp) because<br>> that is the point at which nurses obtain medical and<br>> retirement benefits. Joan and BJ Swanson defend<br>> this behavior, and I think that is abhorrent. <br>> <br>> BJ Swanson, Chair of the Board Directors for<br>> Gritman, said that their 400 employees only amount<br>> to 282 full time jobs at an average pay rate of<br>> $20.77 per hour<br>><br>(http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-November/022424.html).<br>> The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports the average<br>> salary for a nurse is about $50,000. <br>> <br>> <br>><br>(http://allnurses.com/forums/f8/registered-nurses-bureau-labor-statistics-102710.html<br>> or<br>>
<br>><br>http://www3.ccps.virginia.edu/career_prospects/briefs/P-S/RNs.shtml#earnings)<br>> Simple 8th grade algebra, (I know Joan will<br>> not understand this since she could even do<br>> division for student per sq foot with the proposed<br>> high school, but that is OK because I will give her<br>> the answer anyway) will tell you that means the<br>> average worker at Gritman gets only 24.5 hours of<br>> work a week. That is an annual salary of $25,443.<br>> That is less than the pitiful salaries they were<br>> complaining a starting teacher gets at MSD, minus<br>> the summers off. Funny how Joan complains about the<br>> teachers being underpaid but is fine with nurses<br>> making the same wages or less. <br>> <br>> The wages for nurses at only 20 hours a week<br>> at Gritman are not enough to pay the bills and live<br>> in Moscow. Opyr and BJ want to deny this reality<br>> and joke about i!
t, but
the truth is painfully<br>> obvious that nurses at Gritman are grossly unpaid.<br>> Ask any nurse you know in Moscow if they believe<br>> that nurses are being paid a fair salary..<br>> -DJA<br>> <br>> <br>> Joan Opyr <joanopyr @earthlink.net=""> wrote: Dear<br>> Visionaries,<br>> <br>> I'm fresh out of Gritman Hospital, where I had my<br>> gallbladder removed <br>> the old-fashioned way, i.e., not laparascopically. <br>> I've got an <br>> eight-inch incision and two endoscopic test holes,<br>> which have been <br>> closed collectively by 23 shiny surgical staples and<br>> one ugly suture. <br>> Ouch. But I survived, and I am here to attest that<br>> despite Donovan's <br>> ignorant, dire, haberdashical ranting, Gritman is<br>> well-stocked with <br>> RNs, and these RNs are, in fact, paid significantly<br>> more than the <br>> average Wal-Mart greeter. The ones I chatted with<br>>!
; laughed
at the <br>> suggestion that there might be some comparison. <br>> There is an acute <br>> nursing shortage in the United States. California<br>> is paying nurses <br>> $10,000 bonuses (in addition to their regular pay)<br>> to sign up for <br>> three-month visiting stints at public hospitals. <br>> Gritman is working <br>> hard to attract and retain qualified RNs, and it's<br>> doing a good job. <br>> As for Donovan's charge that Gritman is using and<br>> abusing LPNs, <br>> poppycock. During my six-day stint on the Med-Surg<br>> ward, I was cared <br>> for by RNs -- medication, evaluation, and<br>> consultation -- and CNAs, who <br>> took vitals, helped with the cleaning up, and<br>> measured the I & O, <br>> meaning they recorded and emptied the little urine<br>> "hat" on my toilet. <br>> Even if Gritman wanted to use LPNs, where would they<br>> find them? WSU, <br>> LCSC, and Walla Walla are n!
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churning out LPNs. <br>> It's BSN or nothing <br>> these days. (I think there's still an LPN program<br>> up in Canada, but <br>> Canada also has socialized medicine. And caribou. <br>> And people who <br>> speak French.)<br>> <br>> I can also testify that the doctors who practice at<br>> Gritman are most <br>> definitely NOT paid by the hospital. Oh, no. The<br>> doctors bill the <br>> patient separately -- separately, independently, and<br>> eye-poppingly. <br>> Technically, I'm taking Percoset for incision pain;<br>> really, I'm taking <br>> it for wallet pain. (Note to Michael Metzler: you<br>> need to ask yourself <br>> why you're paying Doug Wilson thousands of dollars<br>> to teach you how to <br>> make the same argument for the "nobility" of the Old<br>> South that David <br>> O. Selznick made during the first reel of "Gone With<br>> The Wind." What a <br>> scam! Listen, take your money !
and
enroll in the<br>> WAMI Program. You'll <br>> learn how to carve people into small, painful pieces<br>> and have them pay <br>> you for the privilege. It's true that you can also<br>> do that through <br>> religion, but at the moment, you're on the short end<br>> of that particular <br>> stick. Doug has cornered the local market. You<br>> can't practice in <br>> Moscow; you'll need to move somewhere like Monroe,<br>> Louisiana or Cary, <br>> North Carolina, or . . . no, wait. Damn. You're<br>> screwed.)<br>> <br>> All of which brings me to a point, of sorts. I've<br>> been out of <br>> commission for more than a week. I have, like Rip<br>> Van Winkle, been <br>> asleep. But now I'm awake, and what do I find? <br>> Here <br>=== message truncated ===><br>_____________________________________________________<br>> List services made available by First Step<br>> Internet, <br>> serving the communi!
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