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Sat Dec 3 06:10:04 PST 2005

Thanks Janesta. Anyone else having difficulty with the new yahoo mail system?

  Probably just me.

  -DJA

Janesta Carcich <janestacarcich at yahoo.com> wrote:  Hi,

Donavan, I don't know if I am the only one, but your
text isn't "wrapping" correctly. It just goes in one
HUGE long line.

Just thought you might want to know!

Happy Holidays,
Janesta

--- Donovan Arnold 
wrote:

>     Despite my complaints about the administration
> at Gritman,  one cannot file malpractice suits
> against the staff at Gritman for not being  able to
> fix all that is wrong with Joan Opyr. Modern
> medicine and a well  trained medical team can only
> do so much. 
>       Her testimony is evidence of how well the
> medical team at Gritman  can perform lobotomies as
> her attacks to arguments I NEVER made were addressed
>  in her latest post and her obvious ignorance about
> NAs, CNAs, LPNs, RNs, and  BSNs have illustrated..
>       
> Joan erroneously writes:
>   
> "WSU, LCSC, and Walla Walla are not churning out
> LPNs.  It's BSN or nothing these days.”
>   
> BULL. Lewis and Clark, Boise State University, Walla
> Walla Nursing School in Clarkston, Walla Walla in
> Walla Walla, Apollo College in Boise, all have LPN
> programs as well as RN programs. Most community
> colleges do not even offer BSNs, only RNs
> (Associates in Nursing). Most states and most
> programs that offer RN degrees offer a CPN,
> (certified Practical) LPN or LVN (Vocational) after
> just 1 ½ years of study, LCSC, Walla Walla, and BSU
> are examples. WSU only offers a RN-to-BSN program,
> which is the last two years of a BSN program. Apollo
> College just started offering a LPN program. Check
> yourself:
> 
>   
>
http://nursing.boisestate.edu/Resources/Advanced%20Placement%20LPN%20Application%20F05.pdf
>   
>  
>   
> http://www.lcsc.edu/nurdiv/pn/default.htm
>   
>  
>   
>
http://www.wwcc.edu/programs/proftech/NURS/degree_sequence.cfm?cc=200&dc=NURS&EPC=326
>   
>  
>   
> 
> 
>   
> More showing of Opyr ignorance:
>   
>  
>   
> “Even if Gritman wanted to use LPNs, where would
> they find them?”
>   
>  
>   
> Well see, the Idaho Board of Nursing actually keeps
> tract of who has a nursing degree, a RN, LPN, or
> BSN, or who is even a CNA. They do not let anyone
> just stab you in the ass with a needle, even in
> Idaho. So if want to find a LPN in Idaho you write
> the Idaho State Board of Nursing
> (http://www2.state.id.us/ibn/index.htm) and get a
> list that tells you the name, address, and current
> place of occupation for anyone in the nursing field.
> If you live in a modern state like Oregon, you can
> do an online search from your house, like here:
>   
>  
>   
>
http://www.osbn.state.or.us/search/searchResults-submit.do
>   My arguments are not against nurses, as Opyr tries
> to claim,  they are for them. Gritman’s
> administration purposely creates positions that  are
> under 24 hours a week (check your self here:
> http://www.gritman.org/careers/careers.asp)  because
> that is the point at which nurses obtain medical and
> retirement benefits.  Joan and BJ Swanson defend
> this behavior, and I think that is abhorrent. 
>        
>       BJ Swanson, Chair of the Board Directors for
> Gritman, said  that their 400 employees only amount
> to 282 full time jobs at an average pay rate  of
> $20.77 per hour
>
(http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-November/022424.html).
>  The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports the average
> salary for a nurse is about $50,000.  
>        
>      
>
(http://allnurses.com/forums/f8/registered-nurses-bureau-labor-statistics-102710.html
>  or
>      
>
http://www3.ccps.virginia.edu/career_prospects/briefs/P-S/RNs.shtml#earnings)
>       Simple 8th grade algebra, (I know Joan will
> not  understand this since she could even do
> division for student per sq foot with  the proposed
> high school, but that is OK because I will give her
> the answer  anyway) will tell you that means the
> average worker at Gritman gets only 24.5  hours of
> work a week. That is an annual salary of $25,443.
> That is less than  the pitiful salaries they were
> complaining a starting teacher gets at MSD,  minus
> the summers off. Funny how Joan complains about the
> teachers being  underpaid but is fine with nurses
> making the same wages or less. 
>        
>       The wages for nurses at only 20 hours a week
> at Gritman are  not enough to pay the bills and live
> in Moscow.  Opyr and BJ want to deny this reality
> and joke about it, but the truth is  painfully
> obvious that nurses at Gritman are grossly unpaid.
> Ask any nurse you  know in Moscow  if they believe
> that nurses are being paid a fair salary..
>           -DJA
>     
> 
> Joan Opyr  wrote:  Dear
> Visionaries,
> 
> I'm fresh out of Gritman Hospital, where I had my
> gallbladder removed 
> the old-fashioned way, i.e., not laparascopically. 
> I've got an 
> eight-inch incision and two endoscopic test holes,
> which have been 
> closed collectively by 23 shiny surgical staples and
> one ugly suture.  
> Ouch.  But I survived, and I am here to attest that
> despite Donovan's 
> ignorant, dire, haberdashical ranting, Gritman is
> well-stocked with 
> RNs, and these RNs are, in fact, paid significantly
> more than the 
> average Wal-Mart greeter.  The ones I chatted with
> laughed at the 
> suggestion that there might be some comparison. 
> There is an acute 
> nursing shortage in the United States.  California
> is paying nurses 
> $10,000 bonuses (in addition to their regular pay)
> to sign up for 
> three-month visiting stints at public hospitals. 
> Gritman is working 
> hard to attract and retain qualified RNs, and it's
> doing a good job.  
> As for Donovan's charge that Gritman is using and
> abusing LPNs, 
> poppycock.  During my six-day stint on the Med-Surg
> ward, I was cared 
> for by RNs -- medication, evaluation, and
> consultation -- and CNAs, who 
> took vitals, helped with the cleaning up, and
> measured the I & O, 
> meaning they recorded and emptied the little urine
> "hat" on my toilet.  
> Even if Gritman wanted to use LPNs, where would they
> find them?  WSU, 
> LCSC, and Walla Walla are not churning out LPNs. 
> It's BSN or nothing 
> these days.  (I think there's still an LPN program
> up in Canada, but 
> Canada also has socialized medicine.  And caribou. 
> And people who 
> speak French.)
> 
> I can also testify that the doctors who practice at
> Gritman are most 
> definitely NOT paid by the hospital.  Oh, no.  The
> doctors bill the 
> patient separately -- separately, independently, and
> eye-poppingly.  
> Technically, I'm taking Percoset for incision pain;
> really, I'm taking 
> it for wallet pain.  (Note to Michael Metzler: you
> need to ask yourself 
> why you're paying Doug Wilson thousands of dollars
> to teach you how to 
> make the same argument for the "nobility" of the Old
> South that David 
> O. Selznick made during the first reel of "Gone With
> The Wind."  What a 
> scam!  Listen, take your money and enroll in the
> WAMI Program.  You'll 
> learn how to carve people into small, painful pieces
> and have them pay 
> you for the privilege.  It's true that you can also
> do that through 
> religion, but at the moment, you're on the short end
> of that particular 
> stick.  Doug has cornered the local market.  You
> can't practice in 
> Moscow; you'll need to move somewhere like Monroe,
> Louisiana or Cary, 
> North Carolina, or . . . no, wait.  Damn.  You're
> screwed.)
> 
> All of which brings me to a point, of sorts.  I've
> been out of 
> commission for more than a week.  I have, like Rip
> Van Winkle, been 
> asleep.  But now I'm awake, and what do I find? 
> Here 
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Janesta Carcich

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