[Vision2020] Wayne has a question or 15!

[Art Deco]

To those able to read and comprehend:

Doug Farris offers another sterling example of Christ Church Cult abysmal ignorance and arrogance.

I offered a set of questions upon whose answers there is no agreement among many sincere and/or scholarly Christians (this group may not contain the hierarchy of the cult).  

The point was:  If there is an all-powerful, all-knowing, perfectly good god, why are his alleged "word" not clearly agreed upon by his followers?  Since followers of this alleged god and his alleged "word" do not agree on its meaning, interpretation, and/or message of his "word" and worst yet are among those who have caused a great deal of human suffering, etc. through the ages in the name of this alleged god and its alleged "word", the most logical alternatives to this irrational belief are:

1.    There is no such god as described;
2.    If there is a real god, it is a sadistic monster or totally indifferent to the human condition.

Clearly, if there was an all-powerful. all-knowing god, perfectly good god, it would be capable of timely delivering for every generation clear, unequivocal, unmistakable, unmisinterpretable instructions about how to behave and thus how to "earn" eternal bliss.

Clearly, such has not happened.  (Farris, please look up modus tollens.)  Therefore, can you say "Fairy Tale"?

Instead of responding to this problem, Farris densely and arrogantly adds his version of the answers to the questions to that of millions of other differing answers and reasons given.

That Farris, his cult peers, and its flimflaming master, Parson Douglas Wilson, are either unable to see the problem above or unable to public acknowledge it once again demonstrates their ignorance, arrogance, and mental health status -- We're the only ones (out of billions) who own the truth!

To those amused or astounded by the following exchange:

W:    Is heaven a temporal/spatial realm?
F:     I’m not sure, I have never been there. I have entered into the heavenlies every Lord’s Day.
  
I refer you both religious scholars and scientists who discuss why certain people's faith are like a narcotic addiction.  Also, notice the use of the word "there" in Farris's response in context.  Curious.

Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
deco at moscow.com


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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] Wayne has a question or 15!


> 
> Wayne Fox wants to know:
> 
> For example:
> <Where and when Jesus was born?>
>   In a manger in Bethlehem, in the fullness of time!
> 
> <Which words in the bible were actually spoken by Jesus and which were 
> made up by persons with their own agendas/interpretations?>
>   The ones in red are His and all the other ones are the Holy Spirits.  - 
> For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of 
> God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
> 
> <If Jesus was the result of an "immaculate conception" (curious term, 
> indicating disdain and disgust with the joy of the normal reproductive 
> process) or was he the result of Joseph's (or someone else's) 
> interdiction.  If the former, then Jesus could not be descended from David 
> via Joseph's and other interveners' begetting as claimed.>
>  Mary was also a member of the line of David and as Jesus’ earthly 
> overseer, by marriage, Joseph was the other side going back to David. So 
> that would make Jesus the Son of David through both blood lines. - Which 
> were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of 
> man, but of God.  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we 
> beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full 
> of grace and truth. 
> 
> At this point I will try to answer the question in a more logical order 
> than the way they were presented.
> 
> <Does god have a gender?>
>   See above verse begotten of the Father (that would be masculine in 
> gender) Your question is asking is God the Father have male or female 
> genitals. The answer to that would be: - God is not a man, that he should 
> lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and 
> then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? 
> 
> <Is heaven a temporal/spatial realm?>
>   I’m not sure, I have never been there. I have entered into the 
> heavenlies every Lord’s Day.
> 
> <Do you have to be a Christian or even believe in god to be eligible for 
> eternal reward?>
>   If you can satisfy all the Creator/Judge’s legal requirements and are 
> perfectly Holy according to His standard, then No you do not have to be a 
> Christian. But if you fail in any one area then the answer is Yes. – What 
> then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the 
> faithfulness of God, will it? May it never be! Rather, let God be found 
> true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written,
>         “THAT YOU MAY BE JUSTIFIED IN YOUR WORDS,
>         AND PREVAIL WHEN YOU ARE JUDGED." 
> 
> <Are all non-Christians damned to eternal punishment?>
>   All who do not live by Faith are damned to eternal punishment.
> 
> The next few questions would be what I call side stepping the main issue 
> questions:
> 
> <Are blacks inferior/subservient to whites?>
>   It depends if your Charles Darwin and Margaret Sanger or not!
> 
> <Is slavery permissible?(I assume you mean in the scriptures?)>
>   Yes! 
> 
> <Is capital punishment permissible?>
>   Yes!
> 
> <Is abortion permissible?>
>   No!
> 
> <Are monogamous homosexual relations permissible?>
>   No!
> 
> <Is it permissible to lie in order to forward some alleged works on behalf 
> of god?>
>   Can you disguise yourself as a bush when you are a tank during war 
> time, Yes!
> 
> The last set of questions we can classify as religious practice ones:
> 
> <Can women be religious/spiritual professionals/counselors?>
>   They can be anything they want. Can they be elders, then no!
> 
> <Is prayer to be private or public?>
>   Both.
> 
> <Do Christians have a duty to protect and conserve natural resources and 
> wildlife?>
>   What part of ‘be fruitful and subdue the earth’ do you not understand! 
> That’s what it means!
> 
> <Is the Pope infallible?>
>   If you are a Roman Catholic the answer would be yes, if one is a 
> Trinitarian the answer would be no.
> 
> <Does the bread and wine of communion become the actual blood and flesh of 
> Christ at the moment of ingestion?>
>   See above!
> 
> <If your alleged god is powerful, smart, and good, couldn't she/it/he have 
> written much clearer, ultimately more persuasive instructions  to live 
> correctly and to attain eternal bliss so as to not only avoid any 
> confusion, even among the feeble witted, but to avoid all the corruption, 
> torture, war, oppression, human and animal suffering, and divisiveness 
> which has occurred and continues to occur in the name of this alleged god 
> and its/hers/his "word"?>
> 
> Wayne, My God IS all-powerful, all-smart and all-good. He has made things 
> pretty clear. One only needs to live by Faith.
> 
> I hope this clear things up for you!
> 
> Lemeno, Doug
> 
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