[Vision2020] Mr. Fox's Talk'in (sic) down (sic) to God
Art Deco
deco at moscow.com
Fri Aug 26 12:15:42 PDT 2005
Donovan writes:
{["Is his alleged god so disabled, inept, and illiterate that his alleged words needs 'sidebars'?"
Wayne Fox]
No Wayne. He put the sidebars there because you are so inept and illiterate and could not figure out that He supports people coming together in prayer.
PS, I would not go around calling God disabled, inept, and illiterate.
Let's see:
Do you not see logical and epistemological problems inherent in claiming:
[1] Some alleged god is omnipotent, omniscient, and ominbenevolent, and
[2] That the bible, the alleged "word" of this alleged god, is so unclear, confusing, and inconsistent that there are millions of different interpretations of it, each brutally different (as are some of the actions consequent) and inconsistent with each other?
Perhaps you have been so busy that you have failed to notice that there are many, many persons who are sincere Christians, including many scholars who have spent their lives studying the bible and studying the works of others in the past who have spent their lives studying the bible, cannot even agree on some very basic elements of the so-called Christian faith.
For example:
Where and when Jesus was born?
Which words in the bible were actually spoken by Jesus and which were made up by persons with their own agendas/interpretations?
If Jesus was the result of an "immaculate conception" (curious term, indicating disdain and disgust with the joy of the normal reproductive process) or was he the result of Joseph's (or someone else's) interdiction. If the former, then Jesus could not be descended from David via Joseph's and other interveners' begetting as claimed.
Is capital punishment permissible?
Is abortion permissible?
Are monogamous homosexual relations permissible?
Is it permissible to lie in order to forward some alleged works on behalf of god?
Do you have to be a Christian or even believe in god to be eligible for eternal reward?
Are all non-Christians damned to eternal punishment?
Is slavery permissible?
Can women be religious/spiritual professionals/counselors?
Are blacks inferior/subservient to whites?
Is prayer to be private or public?
Do Christians have a duty to protect and conserve natural resources and wildlife?
Does the bread and wine of communion become the actual blood and flesh of Christ at the moment of ingestion?
Is the Pope infallible?
Does god have a gender?
Is heaven a temporal/spatial realm?
Etc.
Etc.
If your alleged god is powerful, smart, and good, couldn't she/it/he have written much clearer, ultimately more persuasive instructions to live correctly and to attain eternal bliss so as to not only avoid any confusion, even among the feeble witted, but to avoid all the corruption, torture, war, oppression, human and animal suffering, and divisiveness which has occurred and continues to occur in the name of this alleged god and its/hers/his "word"?
You write:
PS, I would not go around calling God disabled, inept, and illiterate.
Based on the mode of existence, there is no evidence that there is any difference between making these statements of some alleged god or making them of Porky Pig or Count Dracula. Their mode of existence appears the same -- fantasy.
Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
deco at moscow.com
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