[Vision2020] Donovan Arnold's Revisionism (was RE: Bad newsreporting)

Thu Aug 25 12:28:51 PDT 2005

Saundra,

If Donovan had any credibility left, he lost it by arguing about literal 
scriptural interpretation by referring to a "sidebar" in his bible.

Holy Jesus!

Is his alleged god so disabled, inept, and illiterate that his alleged words 
needs "sidebars"?  If I were a Christian, I would view such a comment as the 
ultimate insult.

Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)
deco at moscow.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund at adelphia.net>
To: "'vision2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:57 AM
Subject: [Vision2020] Donovan Arnold's Revisionism (was RE: Bad 
newsreporting)

> Well, if anyone cares, let's just let Vision 2020 readers decided for
> themselves  :-)
>
> On 8/24/2005, Donovan Arnold wrote:
> "I never complained about Mr. Trail using "MY WORDS". I complained about 
> him
> NOT USING MY WORDS and putting words in my mouth I never said. . . You 
> seem
> to have a pattern of getting all your information wrong about people and
> groups and then reporting them as facts with condemnation."
> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-August/019721.html
>
> Yet, on 10/27/2004, Donovan Arnold complained:
> "I don't doubt the accuracy of the words. I did in fact say them."
> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2004-October/012180.html
>
> So there  :-)
>
> Since Donovan is h*ll-bent & determined to have the last word on 
> EVERYTHING,
> I have little doubt he'll respond yet again.  But, I'm finished with his
> revisionism on this topic:  V2020 readers are quite capable of reading 
> what
> he's written and making up their own minds.
>
>
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> nothing.
> Edmund Burke
>
> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2005, Saundra Lund.
> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum
> without the express written permission of the author.*****
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:58 PM
> To: Saundra Lund; 'vision2020'
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Bad news reporting
>
> Ms. Lund,
>
> Again, your information is incorrect as it usually is in your daily gossip
> about people in our community.
>
> I never complained about Mr. Trail using "MY WORDS". I complained about 
> him
> NOT USING MY WORDS and putting words in my mouth I never said. Mr. Trail
> took an email regarding something not pertaining to his political office,
> added words, changed the order of the words, put them together, and then 
> put
> it in a different context. He turned a "thank for his help on the homeless
> shelter" email into a ringing endorsement for his re-election. That is
> completely different than just quoting someone which I have no objections 
> to
> when taken from a public site.
>
> If I take the words "I", "Love", and "Bush" from two different emails you
> wrote on Vision2020, and say in a paper, "I Love Bush" With your name on 
> it
> under other quotes that say "Liberals in Moscow that support Bush"
> and posted it in the paper and aired in the radio would you agree that was 
> a
> fair quote?
>
> It was in fact three other people that Trail listed as  endorsing him that
> did not that you seem to have me confused with. Those quotes were correct,
> but old or
> taken out of context.
>
> You seem to have a pattern of getting all your information wrong about
> people and groups and then reporting them as facts with condemnation.
>
>
> Donovan J Arnold
>
>
> --- Saundra Lund <sslund at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>> [My apologies if this shows up twice -- I sent it a couple an hour or
>> so ago, but it seems to have disappeared in cyberspace.]
>>
>> Gee . . . I guess I would have expected Donovan Arnold, of all people,
>> to have a little better understanding of the ethics involved given the
>> hissy fit he pitched when Rep. Tom Trail used Donovan's own words from
>> V2020 postings in a manner to which Donovan objected ;-) IIRC, the the
>> lack of "credibility" and "integrity" were chief among Donovan's
>> complaints about the practice.  But, perhaps he's forgotten that . .
>> .
>>
>>
>> Saundra Lund
>> Moscow, ID
>>
>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to
>> do nothing.
>> Edmund Burke
>>
>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2005, Saundra
>> Lund.
>> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020
>> forum without the express written permission of the
>> author.*****
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Donovan Arnold
>> [mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:53 PM
>> To: Saundra Lund; 'Pat Kraut'; 'vision2020'
>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Bad news reporting
>>
>> "I also want to provide a heads-up that nothing posted
>>
>> on V2020 is safe from thieves." Ms. Lund
>>
>> Ms. Lund,
>>
>> Are you aware that anything posted on Vision 2020 is public property,
>> thus nobody can steal it?
>>
>> Air, sidewalks, and material posted on Vision2020 is free usage for
>> anyone that can access them.
>>
>> Donovan J Arnold
>>
>> --- Saundra Lund <sslund at adelphia.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Pat,
>> >
>> > Did you miss this part of the Web site you sent to
>> V2020?
>> >
>> > " "Gold star mothers" is a term that came into
>> general use with the
>> > creation of the service flags used to show that a
>> family had a son in
>> > the service (a blue star) or a son that had died
>> in the service (a
>> > gold star covering the blue star). Mothers of
>> slain servicemen came to
>> > be known as gold star mothers. The phrase is
>> sometimes capitalized but
>> > this is incorrect because it is not the proper
>> name of any
>> > organization.
>> > ***The phrase is generic and,
>> > through customary usage has come to designate any
>> mother whose child
>> > has been lost in war***."
>> > http://www.goldstarmoms.com/agsm/FAQs/FAQs.htm
>> > [Emphasis is mine.  SL]
>> >
>> > So . . . what exactly is your complaint?  It seems
>> to me the usage is
>> > absolutely correct:  Cindy Sheehan lost a beloved
>> child in the war,
>> > thus she
>> > *is* a gold star mother.  It actually seems pretty
>> disrespectful to me
>> > to try to take issue with the *correct* labeling
>> of her as a gold star
>> > mother
>> > -- even if you disagree with her politics, I can't
>> imagine that you
>> > want to in any way want to trivialize or minimize
>> her tragic loss.
>> > I'm sure that's not your intention, so I just
>> wanted to point out
>> > that's how it might sound to some who don't know
>> otherwise.
>> >
>> > BTW, Visionaries, I also want to provide a
>> heads-up that nothing
>> > posted on V2020 is safe from thieves.  Christ
>> Church's Dale Courtney
>> > continues to pilfer from posts here for his
>> Hate-Log, even when he's
>> > been made absolutely aware that some of us don't
>> want our material
>> > stolen and posted for his own twisted purposes on
>> his Hate-Log.  Just
>> > another crystal clear example of his complete lack
>> of respect for the
>> > wishes of those who don't share his views .
>> > . .
>> >
>> >
>> > Saundra Lund
>> > Moscow, ID
>> >
>> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil
>> is for good people to
>> > do nothing.
>> > Edmund Burke
>> >
>> > ***** Original material contained herein is
>> Copyright 2005, Saundra
>> > Lund.
>> > Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
>> outside the Vision 2020
>> > forum without the express written permission of
>> the
>> > author.*****
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>> > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>> > On Behalf Of Pat Kraut
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:07 PM
>> > To: vision2020
>> > Subject: [Vision2020] Bad news reporting
>> >
>> > The news programs are all calling Cindy Sheehan a
>> 'Gold Star' mother
>> > as though the Gold Star mothers endorsed her
>> activities.
>> > http://www.goldstarmoms.com/agsm/Home/index.htm
>> >
>> > They don't! The media is misleading one more time.
>> > PK
>> >
>> >
>> > I can't be a Republican...I have always been
>> gainfully employed!
>> >
>> >
>>
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