[Vision2020] Public prayer on public money

[Donovan Arnold]

Keely,

Your wrote:
"But the esteemed councilmember should not parade his
devotion like the Pied Piper of Piety, unless he's
trying to please someone other than God . . . . .
Wait!  Could that be it??"

You are the only elected public official I know that
constantly brags about their praying and relationship
with Christ on a public forum. Wait!  Could that be
it?? It's worth considering . . .

Donovan J Arnold

--- keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:

> No one is saying that Joe Bob Councilmember can't
> pray.  Joe Bob should 
> pray, and I hope he does -- in the shower, in his
> bedroom, in the car, in 
> the stairwell, and in the Spirit and truth that God
> desires.  But the 
> esteemed councilmember should not parade his
> devotion like the Pied Piper of 
> Piety, unless he's trying to please someone other
> than God . . .
> 
> . . . Wait!  Could that be it??
> 
> It's worth considering . . .
> Keel
> keely
> 
> 
> From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
> To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>,
> joanopyr at earthlink.net,        
> vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public
> money
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:56:45 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> Mr. Hansen,
> 
> You are only offering circular arguments. A speaker
> can also ignore a prayer completely at a meeting
> too.
> You silly man. So why not let those that believe in
> praying before conducting important business pray
> and
> those that wish not to think about something else.
> Why
> should those that wish to pray be denied. If you
> allow
> prayer, everyone gets what they want. If you
> disallow
> prayer only those that wish not to pray get what
> they
> want.
> 
> Donovan J Arnold
> 
> --- Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> 
>  > Arnold -
>  >
>  > Unlike prayer, the Pledge of Allegiance affords
> the
>  > "speaker" the
>  > opportunity to say or not say the words "under
> God".
>  >
>  > Tom Hansen
>  > Moscow, Idaho
>  >
>  > "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any
>  > more than going to a
>  > garage makes you a mechanic."
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  >
>  > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>  > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>  > On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
>  > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:25 PM
>  > To: Tom Hansen; joanopyr at earthlink.net;
>  > vision2020 at moscow.com
>  > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public
>  > money
>  >
>  > Mr. Hansen,
>  >
>  > Sorry, but praying does not establish a religion
>  > anymore than saying the Pledge of Allegiance to
> the
>  > flag establishes a religion. Both our money and
> our
>  > pledge define us as a monotheistic nation with
> the
>  > use
>  > of "God" instead of "Gods". Should we stop saying
>  > the
>  > Pledge of Allegiance before meetings too Mr.
> Hansen?
>  >
>  > Donovan J Arnold
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > --- Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>  >
>  > > No, no, no, Arnold -
>  > >
>  > > "Establishment", according to the Supreme Court
> of
>  > > the United States
>  > > (SCOTUS), concerns the recognition of any one
>  > faith
>  > > above all others.  I
>  > > draw your attention to Thomas Jefferson's "Wall
> of
>  > > Separation" which has
>  > > been cited in several SCOTUS opinions
> (pronounced
>  > > "decisions") and discussed
>  > > here in V2020 extensively.
>  > >
>  > > By praying, the city council does just that.
>  > >
>  > > Comprende?
>  > >
>  > > Tom Hansen
>  > > Moscow, Idaho
>  > >
>  > > "I think one of the best ways to support
> education
>  > > is to make successful private schools like
> Logos
>  > prosper through tax
>  > > exemption."
>  > >
>  > > - Donovan Arnold (July 11, 2005)
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
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