[Vision2020] Trust

Melynda Huskey mghuskey@msn.com
Thu, 27 May 2004 21:36:09 -0700


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Eric writes:
"I think you can argue someone into trusting you.  Argue is perhaps the w=
rong term. But I am quite sure that if you and I, Melynda, sat for an hou=
r over coffee and debated some religious points I am sure that afterward =
you would feel safer with me. You would feel more trusting that I had you=
r best interests in mind.  Certainly more than you trust me now.  You mig=
ht not be one iota closer to agreeing with me, but you might want to get =
together again and pursue it further."

By an amazing (or Providential) coincidence, I've been reading some resea=
rch on trust recently.  Most peace and conflict scholars define trust as =
"readiness to believe, or act based on, the statements of another."  Trus=
t arises from consistent, reliable actions which meet needs, and from con=
gruence of goals and values. Scholars divide trust into two basic kinds: =
 calculus-based trust (cbt), which comes from exchanges of mutual benefit=
, and identity-based trust (ibt), which arises from shared values or core=
 identities.  Likewise, there's cbd and ibd--distrust based on exchanges =
not mutually beneficial, or identities in conflict.

So here's the hook:  if Eric and I share coffee and a rousing debate abou=
t unconditional election, or total depravity, or homosexuality as God's m=
anifest punishment on sinners, would I have greater readiness to believe,=
 or act on the basis of his statements?  No, I think not--nor vice versa.=
  We might find the conversation stimulating.  We might be pleasantly sur=
prised by the civility and humaneness of our exchange.  But the identity-=
based distrust which has consistently and reliably resulted from our conv=
ersations (including the long discussions of these matters here) won't be=
 reduced, since some of our values can never be brought into harmony, and=
 neither of us is able to alter those values without damage to our core i=
dentities.

In other words, as long as Eric pursues religious conversations with me w=
ith the goal of bringing me to share his beliefs, we aren't building exch=
anges of *mutual* benefit.  And an argument designed to prove to me that =
Eric has my best interests at heart will be unpersuasive unless we share =
the values and goals he describes as "best."

The old rhyme puts it well:  "People convinced against their will / Will =
hold the same opinion still."  Or, as Galileo is said to have muttered af=
ter his trial at the Vatican for teaching an unscriptural cosmology, "Epp=
ur se muovo,"  "Nevertheless it [the earth] does move."  =20

Eric further writes:
"I wish I could coerce everyone in the Palouse to use the Bible as the ow=
ner's manual for their lives.  I think you might be surprised at what a n=
ice place it would be."

I have to ask, nice for whom?  If I can trust the statements made in prin=
t by our local Reformed thinkers, in a Reformed Palouse, I'd be dead--or =
ridden out of town on a rail.  My family would be destroyed.  My Jewish, =
pagan, Muslim, agnostic, Buddhist, Mormon, Catholic, and Unitarian friend=
s?  No room for them unless they convert.  There'd be a lot of women out =
of work, and without the franchise.  No more public education.  We'd embr=
ace slavery as God's plan for some people.  And we'd rejoice in the notio=
n that God created a whole bunch of people already condemned to Hell no m=
atter what they do, just because He could.

Nice is not the word that springs to mind, frankly.

Melynda Huskey

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<HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Eric writes:</=
DIV> <DIV>"I think you can argue someone into trusting you.&nbsp; Argue i=
s perhaps the wrong term. But I am quite sure that if you and I, Melynda,=
 sat for an hour over coffee and debated some religious points I am sure =
that afterward you would feel safer with me. You would feel more trusting=
 that I had your best interests in mind.&nbsp; Certainly more than you tr=
ust me now.&nbsp; You might not be one iota closer to agreeing with me, b=
ut you might want to get together again and pursue it further."</DIV> <DI=
V>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>By an amazing (or Providential) coincidence, I've bee=
n reading some research on trust recently.&nbsp; Most peace and conflict =
scholars define trust as&nbsp;"readiness to believe, or act based on, the=
 statements of another."&nbsp; Trust arises from consistent, reliable act=
ions which meet needs,&nbsp;and from congruence of goals and values.&nbsp=
;Scholars divide&nbsp;trust into two basic kinds:&nbsp; calculus-based tr=
ust (cbt), which comes from exchanges of mutual benefit, and identity-bas=
ed trust (ibt), which arises from shared values or core identities.&nbsp;=
 Likewise, there's cbd and ibd--distrust based on exchanges not mutually =
beneficial, or identities in conflict.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>So he=
re's the hook:&nbsp;&nbsp;if Eric and I share coffee and a rousing debate=
 about unconditional election, or total depravity, or homosexuality as Go=
d's manifest&nbsp;punishment on sinners, would I have greater readiness t=
o believe, or act on the basis of his statements?&nbsp; No, I think not--=
nor vice versa.&nbsp;&nbsp;We might&nbsp;find the conversation stimulatin=
g.&nbsp; We might be&nbsp;pleasantly surprised by the civility and&nbsp;h=
umaneness of our exchange.&nbsp; But the identity-based distrust&nbsp;whi=
ch has consistently and reliably resulted from our conversations (includi=
ng the long discussions of these matters here) won't be reduced, since so=
me of our values can never be brought into harmony, and neither of us is =
able to alter those values without damage to our core identities.</DIV> <=
DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>In other words, as long as Eric pursues religious c=
onversations with me with the goal of bringing me to share his beliefs, w=
e aren't building exchanges of *mutual* benefit.&nbsp; And an argument de=
signed to prove to me that Eric has my best interests at heart will be un=
persuasive unless we&nbsp;share&nbsp;the&nbsp;values and goals he describ=
es as "best."</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>The old rhyme puts it well:&nb=
sp; "People convinced against their will / Will hold the same opinion sti=
ll."&nbsp; Or, as Galileo is said to have muttered after his trial at the=
 Vatican for teaching an unscriptural cosmology, "Eppur se muovo,"&nbsp; =
"Nevertheless it [the earth] does move."&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <=
DIV>Eric further writes:</DIV> <DIV>"I wish I could coerce everyone in th=
e Palouse to use the Bible as the owner's manual for their lives.&nbsp; I=
 think you might be surprised at what a nice place it would be."<BR><BR>I=
 have to ask, nice for whom?&nbsp; If I can trust the statements made in =
print by our local Reformed thinkers, in a Reformed Palouse, I'd be dead-=
-or ridden out of town on a rail.&nbsp; My family would be destroyed.&nbs=
p; My Jewish, pagan, Muslim, agnostic,&nbsp;Buddhist, Mormon, Catholic, a=
nd Unitarian friends?&nbsp; No room for them unless they convert.&nbsp; T=
here'd be a lot of women out of work, and without&nbsp;the franchise.&nbs=
p; No more public education.&nbsp; We'd embrace slavery as God's plan for=
 some people.&nbsp; And we'd rejoice in the notion that God created a who=
le bunch of people already&nbsp;condemned&nbsp;to Hell no matter what the=
y do, just because He could.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Nice is not the=
 word that springs to mind, frankly.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Melynda=
 Huskey</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Nice?&nbsp; Really?</DIV></BODY></HT=
ML><br clear=3Dall><hr>Get more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download=
 : <a href=3D'http://explorer.msn.com'>http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p=
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