[Vision2020] Re: Reply to Wilson on NSA Accreditation
Art Deco aka W. Fox
deco@moscow.com
Thu, 13 May 2004 19:43:09 -0700
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Eric, et al,
Let's not confuse input quality with process quality and output quality.
Assuming for the sake of argument that NSA gets high quality young students, it
doesn't follow that they get a quality education at NSA or given their
potential, they are high quality graduates.
Even if you put the highest quality ingredients into making a beer, it does not
mean that you won't get a skunky mess out. Many a home brewer can tell you
that. If the brewing process and brewing equipment is of poor quality and
design, the end output, no matter how good the input, will suck.
How is the quality of an educational process judged? Here's some obvious
factors:
1. The academic achievements of the faculty: Degrees earned from known
schools and schools of known good quality; amount and significance of research
published in quality, refereed mainline journals published by the associations
of members of specific disciplines (does not include vanity presses).
2. Recognition by generally accepted university wide accreditation
organizations; recognition of various program areas by specific subject area
accreditation organizations.
3. Openness of the institution and its entire staff to divergent opinions
based on universal peer reviewed research, evidence, and participation in
important conferences, seminars, etc. hosting leaders and innovators in specific
academic areas.
etc.
I would not fault any NSA student for not working very hard. Some of the NSA
staff appear to work hard. However, the staff by the most common academic
measures is most charitably described as substandard. Therefore, no matter how
hard both the students and the staff work, the end product will be substandard.
I wonder how more accomplished the bright young graduates of NSA would be had
they went to a real college. I wonder how much better off the world would be if
they had also.
On the same line: Just because NSA is an alleged Christian college does not
mean the students there are any less sexually active than others of their age
group. (It may mean they are much more clever at their covert operations.
Maybe they should consider a CIA career upon graduation!)
Summary: Quality in does not mean quality out. A substandard process will
produce a substandard output regardless of the quality of the input.
Wayne
Art Deco (Wayne Fox)
deco@moscow.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Engerbretson
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 3:10 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] Re: Reply to Wilson on NSA Accreditation
Some of you folks are cracking me up with the niggling about NSA's
accreditation. I'm completely out of the loop on
the discussion/debate, but if the argument for having proper accreditation is
so that students won't be fed a sub-standard education by a bogus school-- the
argument is pretty laughable when NSA is the subject. Look at the info below and
tell me these kids are getting a poor education. :¬)
If you've got so much time on your hands that you have to question the
accreditation of schools, go attack a school that has had perfect accreditation
for decades but puts out mediocre test-takers and charges a huge tuition to do
it.
Sorry-- just a little burr under my saddle. I'm better now.
EE
New Saint Andrews students rank among the nation's
very best on the ACT and SAT standardized test scores
The ACT/Collegenet database
(http://www.act.org/college_search/fset_col_search.html) identifies U.S.
colleges and universities by their average test scores, GPAs, gender,
race/ethnicity, etc.
The Highest Mean ACT Scores
The ACT/Collegenet database shows that among institutions with unlimited
undergraduate enrollment (NSA had 122 students at the time of the report) on the
highest mean ACT score New Saint Andrews College students are 11th nationally,
fifth west of the Mississippi, fourth in the Pacific/Mountain states, and first
in both the Northern Mountain states region and Idaho. If you include Idaho with
colleges east of the Mississippi River, NSA students are seventh among schools
with unlimited enrollment.
Comparing institutions with smaller undergraduate enrollments (under 4,000),
the ACT/Collegenet database shows that on the highest mean ACT score New Saint
Andrews College students are 7th nationally, fourth west of the Mississippi,
third in the Pacific/Mountain states, and again first in both the Northern
Mountain states region and Idaho. If you include Idaho with colleges east of the
Mississippi River, NSA students are fourth among those with under 4,000
undergraduates.
The Highest Mean SAT Scores
The ACT/Collegenet database shows that among institutions with unlimited
undergraduate enrollment on the highest mean SAT scores New Saint Andrews
College students are 88th nationally, 25th west of the Mississippi, 18th in the
Pacific/Mountain states, and first in both the Northern Mountain states region
and Idaho. If you include Idaho with colleges east of the Mississippi River, NSA
students are 63rd among those with unlimited enrollment.
Comparing institutions with undergraduate enrollments under 4,000, the
ACT/Collegenet database shows that on the highest mean SAT score New Saint
Andrews College students are 65th nationally, 20th west of the Mississippi, 13th
in the Pacific/Mountain states, and again first in both the Northern Mountain
states region and Idaho. If you include Idaho with schools east of the
Mississippi River, NSA students are 45th among those under 4,000 undergraduates.
I. Nationally
Comparing all 50 states, 3,564 institutions (unlimited undergrad enrollment)
NSA ACT: 11th SAT: 88th
Comparing all 50 states, and 2,764 institutions (undergrad enrollment under
4,000)
NSA ACT: 7th SAT: 65th
II. Western States
Comparing 25 western states, 1,428 institutions (unlimited undergrad
enrollment)
NSA ACT:5th SAT: 25th
Comparing 25 western states, 1,096 institutions (undergrad enrollment under
4,000)
NSA ACT: 4th SAT: 20th
III. Pacific & Mountain/Plain States
Comparing 15 states of the Pacific coast, Rockies and ND, SD, and WY, and 623
institutions (unlimited undergrad enrollment)
NSA ACT: 4th SAT:18th
Comparing 15 Pacific and Mountain states, 450 institutions (undergrad
enrollment under 4,000)
NSA ACT: 3rd SAT: 13th
IV. Northern Mountain/Plain States
Comparing 5 states, ID, MT, ND, SD, and WY, and 94 institutions (unlimited
undergrad enrollment)
NSA ACT: 1st SAT: 1st
V. Idaho
Comparing 13 institutions (unlimited undergrad enrollment)
NSA ACT: 1st SAT: 1st
VI. Idaho and Colleges East of the Mississippi R.
Comparing 2,096 institutions in Idaho and east of the Mississippi (unlimited
undergrad enrollment)
NSA ACT: 7th SAT: 63rd
Comparing ID and colleges east of the Mississippi, 1,676 institutions
(undergrad enrollment under 4,000)
NSA ACT: 4th SAT: 45th
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Eric, et al,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Let's not confuse input quality with process quality =
and=20
output quality.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Assuming for the sake of argument that NSA gets high =
quality=20
young students, it doesn't follow that they get a quality education at =
NSA or=20
given their potential, they are high quality graduates.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Even if you put the highest quality ingredients into =
making a=20
beer, it does not mean that you won't get a skunky mess out. Many =
a home=20
brewer can tell you that. </FONT><FONT size=3D4>If the brewing =
process and=20
brewing equipment is of poor quality and design, the end output, no =
matter how=20
good the input, will suck.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>How is the quality of an educational process =
judged? =20
Here's some obvious factors:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>1. The academic achievements of =
the=20
faculty: Degrees earned from known schools and schools of known =
good=20
quality; amount and significance of research published in quality, =
refereed mainline journals published by the associations of members of =
specific=20
disciplines (does not include vanity presses).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>2. Recognition by generally =
accepted=20
university wide accreditation organizations; recognition of =
various=20
program areas by specific subject area accreditation =
organizations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>3. Openness of the institution and =
its=20
entire staff to divergent opinions based on universal peer reviewed =
research, evidence, and participation in important conferences, =
seminars, etc.=20
hosting leaders and innovators in specific academic areas.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>I would not fault any NSA student for not working =
very=20
hard. Some of the NSA staff appear to work hard. =
However, the=20
staff by the most common academic measures is most charitably described =
as=20
substandard. Therefore, no matter how hard both the students and =
the staff=20
work, the end product will be substandard.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>I wonder how more accomplished the bright young =
graduates of=20
NSA would be had they went to a real college. I wonder how much =
better off=20
the world would be if they had also.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>On the same line: Just because NSA is an =
alleged=20
Christian college does not mean the students there are any less sexually =
active=20
than others of their age group. (It may mean they are much more =
clever at=20
their covert operations. Maybe they should consider a CIA career =
upon=20
graduation!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Summary: Quality in does not mean quality =
out. A=20
substandard process will produce a substandard output regardless of the =
quality=20
of the input.</FONT></DIV><FONT size=3D4>
<DIV><BR>Wayne</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Art Deco (Wayne Fox)<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Deric@eric-e.com href=3D"mailto:eric@eric-e.com">Eric =
Engerbretson</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 13, 2004 =
3:10=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Re: Reply =
to Wilson=20
on NSA Accreditation</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Some of you folks are cracking me up with the niggling =
about=20
NSA's accreditation. I'm completely out of the loop on <BR>the=20
discussion/debate, but if the argument for having proper accreditation =
is so=20
that students won't be fed a sub-standard education by a bogus =
school-- the=20
argument is pretty laughable when NSA is the subject. Look at the info =
below=20
and tell me these kids are getting a poor education. :=AC) <BR><BR>If =
you've got=20
so much time on your hands that you have to question the accreditation =
of=20
schools, go attack a school that has had perfect accreditation for =
decades but=20
puts out mediocre test-takers and charges a huge tuition to do=20
it.<BR><BR>Sorry-- just a little burr under my saddle. I'm better=20
now.<BR><BR>EE<B><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman><?color><?param =
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Saint Andrews students rank among the =
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best on the ACT and SAT standardized test =
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identifies U.S. colleges and universities by their average test =
scores, GPAs,=20
gender, race/ethnicity, =
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Highest Mean ACT =
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institutions with unlimited undergraduate =
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the=20
time of the report) on the <?/x-tad-smaller><B><?x-tad-smaller>highest =
mean=20
ACT<?/x-tad-smaller></B><?x-tad-smaller> score New Saint Andrews College =
students are =
11<?/x-tad-smaller><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>th<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smalle=
r><?x-tad-smaller>=20
nationally, fifth west of the Mississippi, fourth in the =
Pacific/Mountain=20
states, and first in both the Northern Mountain states region and =
Idaho. If=20
you include Idaho with colleges east of the Mississippi River, NSA =
students=20
are seventh among schools with unlimited =
enrollment.<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/color><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller=
><BR><BR><?/x-tad-smaller><?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?x-tad-smaller> Comparing=20
institutions with smaller =
<?/x-tad-smaller><B><?x-tad-smaller>undergraduate=20
enrollments (under 4,000<?/x-tad-smaller></B><?x-tad-smaller>), the=20
ACT/Collegenet database shows that on the=20
<?/x-tad-smaller><B><?x-tad-smaller>highest mean =
ACT<?/x-tad-smaller></B><?x-tad-smaller> score New Saint Andrews College =
students are =
7<?/x-tad-smaller><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>th<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller=
><?x-tad-smaller>=20
nationally, fourth west of the Mississippi, third in the =
Pacific/Mountain=20
states, and again first in both the Northern Mountain states region =
and Idaho.=20
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students=20
are fourth among those with under 4,000 =
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Highest Mean SAT =
Scores<?/x-tad-smaller><?/color><?x-tad-smaller><BR><BR><?/x-tad-smaller>=
</I></B><?color><?param 1B1B,3030,6565><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>The=20
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<?/x-tad-smaller><B><?x-tad-smaller>among=20
institutions with unlimited undergraduate enrollment =
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<?/x-tad-smaller><B><?x-tad-smaller>highest mean =
SAT<?/x-tad-smaller></B><?x-tad-smaller> scores New Saint Andrews =
College=20
students are =
88<?/x-tad-smaller><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>th<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smalle=
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in the Pacific/Mountain states, and first in both the Northern =
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region and Idaho. If you include Idaho with colleges east of the =
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River, NSA students are =
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r><?x-tad-smaller>=20
among those with unlimited =
enrollment.<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/color><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller=
><BR><BR><?/x-tad-smaller><?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?x-tad-smaller> Comparing=20
institutions with <?/x-tad-smaller><B><?x-tad-smaller>undergraduate=20
enrollments under 4,000<?/x-tad-smaller></B><?x-tad-smaller>, the=20
ACT/Collegenet database shows that on the=20
<?/x-tad-smaller><B><?x-tad-smaller>highest mean =
SAT<?/x-tad-smaller></B><?x-tad-smaller> score New Saint Andrews College =
students are =
65<?/x-tad-smaller><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>th<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smalle=
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nationally, =
20<?/x-tad-smaller><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>th<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smalle=
r><?x-tad-smaller>=20
west of the Mississippi, =
13<?/x-tad-smaller><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>th<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smalle=
r><?x-tad-smaller>=20
in the Pacific/Mountain states, and again first in both the =
Northern=20
Mountain states region and Idaho. If you include Idaho with schools =
east of=20
the Mississippi River, NSA students are 45th among those under 4,000=20
=
undergraduates.<?/x-tad-smaller><?/color><?x-tad-smaller><BR><BR><?/x-tad=
-smaller><?/smaller><B><?color><?param 2121,3A3A,7A7A><?x-tad-smaller>I. =
=
Nationally<?/x-tad-smaller><?/color><?x-tad-smaller><BR><BR><?/x-tad-smal=
ler></B><I><?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>Comparing=20
all 50 states, 3,564 institutions (unlimited undergrad =
enrollment)<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/color><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller=
><BR><?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller></I><?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>NSA  =
; =20
=
ACT: 11th  =
; =20
=
SAT: 88th<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/color><?smaller><?x-tad-smal=
ler><BR><BR><?/x-tad-smaller><I><?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?x-tad-smaller>Comparing=20
all 50 states, and 2,764 institutions (undergrad enrollment under =
4,000)<?/x-tad-smaller><?/color><?x-tad-smaller><BR><?/x-tad-smaller></I>=
<?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?x-tad-smaller> NSA &nb=
sp; =20
ACT:=20
7th SAT: =
65th<?/x-tad-smaller><?/color><?x-tad-smaller><BR><BR><?/x-tad-smaller><?=
/smaller><B><?color><?param 2121,3A3A,7A7A><?x-tad-smaller>II.=20
Western =
States<?/x-tad-smaller><?/color><?x-tad-smaller><BR><BR><?/x-tad-smaller>=
</B><I><?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>Comparing=20
25 western states, 1,428 institutions (unlimited undergrad =
enrollment)<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/color><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller=
><BR><?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller></I><?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller> NSA  =
; =20
=
ACT:5th =
=20
SAT:=20
=
25th<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/color><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller><BR><B=
R><?/x-tad-smaller><I><?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?x-tad-smaller>Comparing=20
25 western states, 1,096 institutions (undergrad enrollment under =
4,000)<?/x-tad-smaller><?/color><?x-tad-smaller><BR><?/x-tad-smaller></I>=
<?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?x-tad-smaller>NSA &nb=
sp; =20
ACT:=20
=
4th &nbs=
p;=20
SAT: =
20th<?/x-tad-smaller><?/color><?x-tad-smaller><BR><BR><?/x-tad-smaller><?=
/smaller><B><?color><?param 2121,3A3A,7A7A><?x-tad-smaller>III.=20
Pacific & Mountain/Plain=20
=
States<?/x-tad-smaller><?/color><?x-tad-smaller><BR><BR><?/x-tad-smaller>=
</B><I><?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>Comparing=20
15 states of the Pacific coast, Rockies and ND, SD, and WY, and =
623=20
institutions (unlimited undergrad =
enrollment)<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/color><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller=
><BR><?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller></I><?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>NSA  =
; =20
ACT: =20
=
4th SAT:18th<?=
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-tad-smaller><I><?color><?param 1B1B,3030,6565><?x-tad-smaller>Comparing =
15 Pacific and Mountain states, 450 institutions (undergrad enrollment =
under=20
=
4,000)<?/x-tad-smaller><?/color><?x-tad-smaller><BR><?/x-tad-smaller></I>=
<?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?x-tad-smaller>NSA &nb=
sp; =20
ACT:=20
=
3rd SAT:=
13th<?/x-tad-smaller><?/color><?x-tad-smaller><BR><BR><?/x-tad-smal=
ler><?/smaller><B><?color><?param =
2121,3A3A,7A7A><?x-tad-smaller> IV.=20
Northern Mountain/Plain=20
=
States<?/x-tad-smaller><?/color><?x-tad-smaller><BR><BR><?/x-tad-smaller>=
</B><I><?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>Comparing=20
5 states, ID, MT, ND, SD, and WY, and 94 institutions (unlimited =
undergrad=20
=
enrollment)<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/color><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller=
><BR><?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller></I><?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>NSA  =
; =20
ACT:=20
=
1st SAT:=
=
1st<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/color><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller><BR><BR=
><?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><B><?color><?param =
2121,3A3A,7A7A><?x-tad-smaller> V.=20
=
Idaho<?/x-tad-smaller><?/color><?x-tad-smaller><BR><BR><?/x-tad-smaller><=
/B><I><?color><?param 1B1B,3030,6565><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>Comparing =
13 institutions (unlimited undergrad =
enrollment)<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/color><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller=
><BR><?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller></I><?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>NSA  =
; =20
ACT:=20
1st SAT: =
1st<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/color><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller><BR><BR=
><?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><B><?color><?param =
2121,3A3A,7A7A><?x-tad-smaller> VI.=20
Idaho and Colleges East of the Mississippi =
R.<?/x-tad-smaller><?/color><?x-tad-smaller><BR><BR><?/x-tad-smaller></B>=
<I><?color><?param 1B1B,3030,6565><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>Comparing=20
2,096 institutions in Idaho and east of the Mississippi (unlimited =
undergrad=20
=
enrollment)<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/color><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller=
><BR><?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller></I><?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>NSA  =
; =20
ACT:=20
=
7th &nbs=
p;SAT:=20
=
63rd<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/color><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller><BR><B=
R><?/x-tad-smaller><I><?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?x-tad-smaller>Comparing=20
ID and colleges east of the Mississippi, 1,676 institutions (undergrad =
enrollment under =
4,000)<?/x-tad-smaller><?/color><?x-tad-smaller><BR><?/x-tad-smaller></I>=
<?color><?param =
1B1B,3030,6565><?x-tad-smaller>NSA &nb=
sp; =20
ACT:=20
4th =
SAT:=20
45th<?/x-tad-smaller><?/color><?/smaller><?/smaller><?/smaller><?/fontfam=
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