[Vision2020] Kerry's election to lose?

[thansen@moscow.com]

You are obviously misinterpreting what you are hearing.  I am listening to the 
same live broadcast (via CNN.com audio feed).  Even Rumsfeld applauded the 
soldier for submitting such a report up the chan of command.

Are you suggesting that the soldier took those photos for the purpose of 
submitting them to the media with the sole purpose of attaining his "15 minutes 
of fame"?  If so, you are ignorant beyond belief.

Tom Hansen


> What she actually said is: "Hold on to your seats, its going to be a
> bumpy night."
> The soldier only told the press, as I am hearing it on the coverage of
> the committee hearings it was already under investigation. All he has
> done is make a name for himself in the news. I have so many questions
> about this and so far many of the senators are only pontificating
> getting their 'sound bite' in. I am waiting and listening till we get to
> more info. What I'd really like to know is who took the photos and what
> were they going to do with them if not give them to the press? Save them
> for their grandchildren? It is all seriously stupid. 
> PK
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Tom Hansen 
>   To: Pat Kraut ; vision2020 
>   Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 5:51 AM
>   Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Kerry's election to lose?
> 
> 
>   Alas!  Something that Ms. Kraut and I can truly agree upon.
> 
>   Yes.  I think that the election in November is going to make the one
> in 2000 look like a grade school vote for hallway monitor.
> 
>   Just under six months to go with virtually a dead-even race between
> Bush and Kerry with Nader's 3% to 6% in the balance, not to mention 275
> million Americans.
> 
>   As a famous actress once said, "Fasten your seat belts.  It's going to
> get a little bumpy."
> 
>   Put on your raincoat, as well.  The weather forecast is for isolated
> and increased muckslinging from now through October.
> 
>   As Don Henley put it so aptly:
> 
>   Dirty little secrets
>   Dirty little lies
>   We got our dirty little fingers in everybody's pie
>   We love to cut you down to size
>   We love dirty laundry
> 
>   Take care,
> 
>   Tom Hansen
>   Just another liberal elitist loose in the Palouse
> 
>   "Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the
> tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime." 
>   - - Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.
>    
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On Behalf Of Pat Kraut
>     Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 10:23 PM
>     To: vision2020
>     Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry's election to lose?
> 
> 
>     This is most interesting. Anyone brave enough to actually make a
> prediction on this election is amazing. I for one would not make any
> call at all. Yes, I know how I will vote and that is probably the same
> as this state but that is not a surprise. It is the surprise states that
> will make the difference. It will make for a long night. 
>     PK
>       ----- Original Message ----- 
>       From: Joan Opyr 
>       To: Vision2020 Moscow 
>       Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 3:40 PM
>       Subject: [Vision2020] Kerry's election to lose?
> 
> 
>       Snipped from a piece by Paul M. Weyrich, detailing speakers and
> events at a recent conservative gathering, for CNSNews, 5/5/04: 
> 
> 
>       ". . . . But it was pollster John Zogby who gave the most
> intriguing briefing. Zogby has to be taken seriously because he got it
> right when almost all the pollsters had it wrong in 2000. He also caught
> the slight tilt toward the Republicans on the eve of the 2002 elections.
> 
> 
>       What he told the group upset most of them -- but his message came
> through loud and clear. While most pollsters view this election as
> Bush's to lose, he believes this election is Kerry's to lose. 
> 
>       He said that usually at this time of year, 20-25% of the
> electorate is undecided, but this year there only 5% of the electorate
> is undecided. Finding such people when polling is becoming exceedingly
> difficult, he told us. Moreover, the soft vote, that is the people who
> MIGHT be persuaded to vote for the other guy, is only 10% -- a historic
> low. 
> 
>       Zogby believes that this election most resembles that of 1800 when
> John Adams was running for re-election. Thomas Jefferson was his
> opponent. He surprised the group by reciting some of the nasty things
> that were said by both sides in that election. Zogby said that when we
> hear that this is the nastiest election in history, it is not
> necessarily the case. 
> 
>       Zogby went on to detail his thesis that there really are two
> Americas. The social and political differences between the "blue"
> states, which Al Gore carried in 2000, and the "red" states, which Bush
> carried in that election, are profound in every category and becoming
> more so. 
> 
>       Thus, Bush is really trying to carry those states that he carried
> in 2000 plus a few others while Kerry is trying to keep what Gore
> carried. If he can just add a state or two to the Gore total...Kerry
> wins. Zogby suggested it might be possible for Bush to carry the popular
> vote but lose the election, the reverse of what happened in 2000 when
> Gore had more than a half million votes more than Bush. 
> 
>       Zogby told us that while this is Kerry's election to lose, he
> might just lose it. He absolutely dismissed suggestions that are coming
> up from both the left and right that Kerry is proving to be such a bad
> candidate he might be replaced. He thinks Kerry will rise to the
> occasion at the end of the campaign, when it counts. 
> 
>       Zogby said to remember Gov. Bill Weld, who was thought to be the
> favorite against Kerry but who lost a close election when Kerry came
> alive and beat him. He said Kerry, like Bush in 2000, is constantly
> underestimated. He thinks veterans will be crucial in this election and
> right now Kerry has an edge with veterans because he has emphasized them
> so much and because there is some dissatisfaction with the way that Bush
> is handling the war. That however, according to Zogby, could change. 
> 
>       While most re-election campaigns tend to be decisive, that is, we
> re-elect the incumbent overwhelmingly (think Reagan or Clinton) or we
> toss him out of office by a wide margin (think Hoover or Carter), Zogby
> believes this election, barring some unforeseen events, is going to be
> another nail-biter. He insists that Ohio is this year's Florida,
> although the White House disputes that. They believe they have an
> excellent chance to carry Ohio. No Republican in modern times has won
> the Presidency without Ohio 
> 
>       After this daylong briefing, which began at noon and ended at 6
> p.m, we adjourned to dinner, where the buzz was all about Zogby's
> comments. The participants in the briefing were all influential people.
> Zogby shook them to the core."   
> 
> 
> 
> 
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