[Vision2020] Re: Logos Questions, and I why I expect Tom Garfield to respond

[Art Deco aka W. Fox]

Paul,

We agree that no one (except for the Cult Master) can compel Logos to
present and to defend their doctrines in a community forum.

As to the rest, we shall agree to disagree.  I think that Logos is making a
grave tactical mistake in acting arrogantly, insularly, and apodictically -- 
all traits of a cult and traits of an educational organization ashamed or
embarrassed by their own workings.

Because of information obtained from parents of ex-Logos and current
students, former and current employees of Logos, and other interesting
sources of information, some of them from the dissatisfied inside the cult,
the discussion about the doctrines and practices of Logos will continue, in
fact in a few weeks it may well intensify, whether Mr. Garfield chooses to
respond in his own name or in lock step with the Cult Master or not.

My concern, which you apparently consider misplaced, is manifold but
includes the following:

I am greatly concerned about the effect on the children naively entrusted to
Logos of the mental and physical abuse suffered by them.  In a few weeks I
will comment on this issue extensively.

I am also greatly concerned about those sincere Christians in Christ Church
being misled and misused by blind, almost psychotic ambition.  Though I am
an non-believer, I sincerely hope that community Christian and other
religious professionals will reach out and rescue Christ Church congregants
and offer them much more joyful, satisfying, less judgmental, more
Christ-like (or Buddha-like, etc.) spiritual succor.

Thank you for your comments.

Wayne

Art Deco  (Wayne Fox)
deco@moscow.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Duffau" <pduffau@adelphia.net>
To: "Art Deco aka W. Fox" <deco@moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Logos Questions, and I why I expect Tom
Garfield to respond


> Wayne,
>
> My intent was not to sandbag.  I don't believe that over-blown (my
opinion) hyperbole will accomplish anything other satisfying the author.
Logos does not have to answer the community or defend its doctrine to you or
to me.  The community cannot compel, nor should it be able to compel,
confession, which, I believe, is what you desire.  A confession that they
either are, or are not, racist.  That they are, or are not, sexist.  That
they are, or are not, homophobic.  Requiring such public declarations is
reminiscent of totalitarian regimes, not an open society.
>
> As far as their specific doctrines are concerned, to equate their beliefs
with criminal activity is unjust.  I may disagree profoundly with their
beliefs and with those whom they elect to associate but until they commit a
crime I will not accuse them of such nor will I tarnish them in that manner.
I do believe that it matters that you have offered such an equation.  In
intent, it the equivalent of "Bush is Hitler reincarnate!" or "Bill Clinton
is the Anti-Christ!"
>
> Paul Duffau
>
> At 05:44 PM 3/11/04 -0800, you wrote:
> >Paul,
> >
> >Yours is a sandbagging response.
> >
> >It matters not for this discussion if Logos is breaking the law or not.
> >
> >The community is concerned about doctrines taught at Logos which a large
> >portion of the community consider reprehensible.  Logos now has an
> >opportunity to answer that concern by stating in their words their
doctrines
> >and defending those doctrines as best they can and perhaps making
converts.
> >
> >If Logos is afraid that they cannot answer the community with convincing
> >arguments or are ashamed of what they are doing, then they are smart to
> >stand mute for now.
> >
> >Art Deco  (Wayne Fox)
> >deco@moscow.com
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Paul Duffau" <pduffau@adelphia.net>
> >To: "Art Deco aka W. Fox" <deco@moscow.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:22 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Logos Questions, and I why I expect Tom
> >Garfield to respond
> >
> >
> > > Wayne,
> > >
> > > At what point did Logos violate state law?  At what point does an
> >accusation become an indictment?
> > >
> > > Paul Duffau
> > >
> > > At 05:15 PM 3/11/04 -0800, you wrote:
> > > >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o =
> >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =
> >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 =
> >"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags">
> > > >Bill, et al,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Suppose there was a school called Ecstasy.  Suppose rumors were that
this
> >school taught young men and women how to pursue a profitable career in
drug
> >dealing or prostitution....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >....Logos school has been accused of teaching sexist, homophobic,
> >neo-confederate, and many other doctrines that are probably as repugnant
as
> >drug dealing and prostitution to the majority of Palouse region citizens.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>
>