[Vision2020] Re: Logos Questions, and I why I expect Tom Garfield to respond
Art Deco aka W. Fox
deco@moscow.com
Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:15:13 -0800
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Bill, et al,
Perhaps your argument would be a little stronger if we were not talking were
not about a school which is shaping young citizens of our community.
Suppose there was a school called Ecstasy. Suppose rumors were that this
school taught young men and women how to pursue a profitable career in drug
dealing or prostitution.
Would not the community have an interest in what is going on at that school?
Would non-responses to questions from concerned citizens from the school
headmaster create further rumors and distrust?
Logos school has been accused of teaching sexist, homophobic,
neo-confederate, and many other doctrines that are probably as repugnant as
drug dealing and prostitution to the majority of Palouse region citizens.
Naturally people want to know the facts. An open society thrives on
critical examination of ideas. If Logos is indoctrinating children with the
doctrines mentioned above, people have a right to be concerned.
If Logos is ashamed or embarrassed by what they are doing, then they won't
answer the concerns expressed by Rose Huskey which are shared by many
people.
If Logos thinks their doctrines are correct, then the facts should be
offered. If the doctrines are correct, then these doctrines should be able
to stand the test of critical examination. If the doctrines are not correct
and Logos is unable to successfully defend them, then the community has
choices to make.
Art Deco (Wayne Fox)
deco@moscow.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Strand
To: DonaldH675@aol.com ; pduffau@adelphia.net ; vision2020@moscow.com
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Logos Questions, and I why I expect Tom
Garfield to respond
Ms. Huskey,
I must admit I've have always had a problem with the
"if-you-have-nothing-to-hide-why-don't-you-tell-us" approach. Many of the
questions you asked are the business of Logos school and the people who
enroll their children there. If Mr. Garfield declines to answer, are we then
going to respond with a "Well, what are you hiding"?
When I was co-owner of Pacific Simulation I would be asked questions like
"are female engineers paid the same as their male co-workers"? If I'm not
willing to discuss this with people outside the company, does this mean I'm
hiding something? Since when is full disclosure equated with ethical
practices? As long as I followed federal guidelines, these things are simply
not the concern of people outside the organization. If I wanted to keep
quality people, I would pay them well and treat them fairly. So was I hiding
something? Sorry - that's our concern, not anyone else's.
Every question you asked would be things I would also ask if I was
considering having my children attend Logos. However, my three daughters
attend MSD where they receive what I consider to be a quality education. I
think that contacting Mr. Garfield as has been suggested is a good idea. But
if he chooses not to respond, it just means that Logos prefers their
privacy. I do hope he answers as I am interested in what he would say. But I
won't draw any conclusions about Logos if he doesn't reply.
When my teenage daughter prefers her bedroom door to be closed when she is
chatting with her friends, this doesn't mean she is doing anything illegal,
immoral or discourteous. It just means she likes her privacy.
Bill Strand
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<DIV>Bill, et al,</DIV>
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<DIV>Perhaps your argument would be a little stronger if we were not =
talking=20
were not about a school which is shaping young citizens of our =
community.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Suppose there was a school called Ecstasy. Suppose rumors =
were=20
that this school taught young men and women how to pursue a =
profitable=20
career in drug dealing or prostitution.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Would not the community have an interest in what is going on at =
that=20
school? Would non-responses to questions from concerned citizens =
from the=20
school headmaster create further rumors and distrust?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Logos school has been accused of teaching sexist, =
homophobic,=20
neo-confederate, and many other doctrines that are probably as repugnant =
as drug=20
dealing and prostitution to the majority of Palouse region =
citizens.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Naturally people want to know the facts. An open society =
thrives on=20
critical examination of ideas. If Logos is indoctrinating children =
with=20
the doctrines mentioned above, people have a right to be =
concerned. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If Logos is ashamed or embarrassed by what they are doing, then =
they won't=20
answer the concerns expressed by Rose Huskey which are shared by many=20
people.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If Logos thinks their doctrines are correct, then the facts =
should be=20
offered. If the doctrines are correct, then these =
doctrines should be=20
able to stand the test of critical examination. If the =
doctrines are=20
not correct and Logos is unable to successfully defend them, then the =
community=20
has choices to make.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Art Deco (Wayne Fox)<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dstrand@pacsim.com href=3D"mailto:strand@pacsim.com">Bill =
Strand</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3DDonaldH675@aol.com=20
href=3D"mailto:DonaldH675@aol.com">DonaldH675@aol.com</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dpduffau@adelphia.net=20
href=3D"mailto:pduffau@adelphia.net">pduffau@adelphia.net</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 11, 2004 =
3:00=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] Re: =
Logos=20
Questions, and I why I expect Tom Garfield to respond</DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
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Huskey,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">lem with =
the=20
=93if-you-have-nothing-to-hide-why-don=92t-you-tell-us=94 approach. =
Many of the=20
questions you asked are the business of Logos school and the people =
who enroll=20
their children there. If Mr. Garfield declines to answer, are we then =
going to=20
respond with a =93Well, what are you =
hiding=94?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">When I was =
co-owner=20
of Pacific Simulation I would be asked questions like =93are female =
engineers=20
paid the same as their male co-workers=94? If I=92m not willing to =
discuss this=20
with people outside the company, does this mean I=92m hiding =
something? Since=20
when is full disclosure equated with ethical practices? As long as I =
followed=20
federal guidelines, these things are simply not the concern of people =
outside=20
the organization. If I wanted to keep quality people, I would pay them =
well=20
and treat them fairly. So was I hiding something? Sorry =96 that=92s =
our concern,=20
not anyone else=92s.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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question you=20
asked would be things I would also ask if I was considering having my =
children=20
attend Logos. However, my three daughters attend MSD where they =
receive what I=20
consider to be a quality education. I think that contacting Mr. =
Garfield as=20
has been suggested is a good idea. But if he chooses not to respond, =
it just=20
means that Logos prefers their privacy. I do hope he answers as I am=20
interested in what he would say. But I won=92t draw any conclusions =
about Logos=20
if he doesn=92t reply.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
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teenage=20
daughter prefers her bedroom door to be closed when she is chatting =
with her=20
friends, this doesn=92t mean she is doing anything illegal, immoral or =
discourteous. It just means she likes her=20
privacy.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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