[Vision2020] Re: Logos Questions,
and I why I expect Tom Garfield to respond
Andreas Schou
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> As Thomas Jefferson said (and yes, Nick, I have the original source material for
> this quote if you'd like), "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for
> the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and
> tyrannical."
I would note, Mr. "Stile", that this quote comes from the text of "A Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom" -- the document that, by and large, codified the wall of separation between church and state. In future, when defending a theocratic church-state, one might prefer that you actually use documents that actually support your position. Hope that helps.
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From: "P.S. Stile" <psstile@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Logos Questions,
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<P>Mr. Fox should be thankful that no compulsory attendance laws exist which would require him to send his children to Logos, and that he does not have submit to an "approved" exemption to those laws in order to educate his children.</P>
<P>He should also be thankful that he is not compellled to pay taxes to support Logos - especially in light of the fact that it seems to be a violation of the dictates of his conscience. Not every citizen can say that they aren't compelled to pay for schools they believe violate the dictates of their consciences.</P>
<P>As Thomas Jefferson said (and yes, Nick, I have the original source material for this quote if you'd like), "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical."<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"> </SPAN></P>
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<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT></DIV>>From: "Art Deco aka W. Fox" <DECO@MOSCOW.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>To: <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Logos Questions, and I why I expect Tom Garfield to respond
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:15:13 -0800
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<DIV></DIV>>Bill, et al,
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<DIV></DIV>>Perhaps your argument would be a little stronger if we were not talking were
<DIV></DIV>>not about a school which is shaping young citizens of our community.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Suppose there was a school called Ecstasy. Suppose rumors were that this
<DIV></DIV>>school taught young men and women how to pursue a profitable career in drug
<DIV></DIV>>dealing or prostitution.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Would not the community have an interest in what is going on at that school?
<DIV></DIV>>Would non-responses to questions from concerned citizens from the school
<DIV></DIV>>headmaster create further rumors and distrust?
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Logos school has been accused of teaching sexist, homophobic,
<DIV></DIV>>neo-confederate, and many other doctrines that are probably as repugnant as
<DIV></DIV>>drug dealing and prostitution to the majority of Palouse region citizens.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Naturally people want to know the facts. An open society thrives on
<DIV></DIV>>critical examination of ideas. If Logos is indoctrinating children with the
<DIV></DIV>>doctrines mentioned above, people have a right to be concerned.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>If Logos is ashamed or embarrassed by what they are doing, then they won't
<DIV></DIV>>answer the concerns expressed by Rose Huskey which are shared by many
<DIV></DIV>>people.
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<DIV></DIV>>If Logos thinks their doctrines are correct, then the facts should be
<DIV></DIV>>offered. If the doctrines are correct, then these doctrines should be able
<DIV></DIV>>to stand the test of critical examination. If the doctrines are not correct
<DIV></DIV>>and Logos is unable to successfully defend them, then the community has
<DIV></DIV>>choices to make.
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<DIV></DIV>>Art Deco (Wayne Fox)
<DIV></DIV>>deco@moscow.com
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> ----- Original Message -----
<DIV></DIV>> From: Bill Strand
<DIV></DIV>> To: DonaldH675@aol.com ; pduffau@adelphia.net ; vision2020@moscow.com
<DIV></DIV>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 3:00 PM
<DIV></DIV>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Logos Questions, and I why I expect Tom
<DIV></DIV>>Garfield to respond
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<DIV></DIV>> Ms. Huskey,
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<DIV></DIV>> I must admit I've have always had a problem with the
<DIV></DIV>>"if-you-have-nothing-to-hide-why-don't-you-tell-us" approach. Many of the
<DIV></DIV>>questions you asked are the business of Logos school and the people who
<DIV></DIV>>enroll their children there. If Mr. Garfield declines to answer, are we then
<DIV></DIV>>going to respond with a "Well, what are you hiding"?
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<DIV></DIV>> When I was co-owner of Pacific Simulation I would be asked questions like
<DIV></DIV>>"are female engineers paid the same as their male co-workers"? If I'm not
<DIV></DIV>>willing to discuss this with people outside the company, does this mean I'm
<DIV></DIV>>hiding something? Since when is full disclosure equated with ethical
<DIV></DIV>>practices? As long as I followed federal guidelines, these things are simply
<DIV></DIV>>not the concern of people outside the organization. If I wanted to keep
<DIV></DIV>>quality people, I would pay them well and treat them fairly. So was I hiding
<DIV></DIV>>something? Sorry - that's our concern, not anyone else's.
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<DIV></DIV>> Every question you asked would be things I would also ask if I was
<DIV></DIV>>considering having my children attend Logos. However, my three daughters
<DIV></DIV>>attend MSD where they receive what I consider to be a quality education. I
<DIV></DIV>>think that contacting Mr. Garfield as has been suggested is a good idea. But
<DIV></DIV>>if he chooses not to respond, it just means that Logos prefers their
<DIV></DIV>>privacy. I do hope he answers as I am interested in what he would say. But I
<DIV></DIV>>won't draw any conclusions about Logos if he doesn't reply.
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<DIV></DIV>> When my teenage daughter prefers her bedroom door to be closed when she is
<DIV></DIV>>chatting with her friends, this doesn't mean she is doing anything illegal,
<DIV></DIV>>immoral or discourteous. It just means she likes her privacy.
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<DIV></DIV>> Bill Strand
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