[Vision2020] Re: Logos Questions, and I why I expect Tom Garfield to respond
Art Deco aka W. Fox
deco@moscow.com
Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:11:22 -0800
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Normal Folks,
Another sandbagging response!
Changing the subject does not answer the questions or the arguments. Only
one person consistently does this in the Palouse area forums. You don't
need tracking software to identify him.
Not getting a response from Mr. Garfield will have some interesting
consequences.
Art Deco (Wayne Fox)
deco@moscow.com
----- Original Message -----
From: P.S. Stile
To: deco@moscow.com ; vision2020@moscow.com
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Logos Questions, and I why I expect Tom
Garfield to respond
Mr. Fox should be thankful that no compulsory attendance laws exist which
would require him to send his children to Logos, and that he does not have
submit to an "approved" exemption to those laws in order to educate his
children.
He should also be thankful that he is not compellled to pay taxes to
support Logos - especially in light of the fact that it seems to be a
violation of the dictates of his conscience. Not every citizen can say that
they aren't compelled to pay for schools they believe violate the dictates
of their consciences.
As Thomas Jefferson said (and yes, Nick, I have the original source
material for this quote if you'd like), "To compel a man to furnish
contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves
and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical."
P.S. Stile
>From: "Art Deco aka W. Fox"
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Logos Questions, and I why I expect Tom
Garfield to respond
>Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:15:13 -0800
>
>Bill, et al,
>
>Perhaps your argument would be a little stronger if we were not talking
were
>not about a school which is shaping young citizens of our community.
>
>Suppose there was a school called Ecstasy. Suppose rumors were that this
>school taught young men and women how to pursue a profitable career in
drug
>dealing or prostitution.
>
>Would not the community have an interest in what is going on at that
school?
>Would non-responses to questions from concerned citizens from the school
>headmaster create further rumors and distrust?
>
>Logos school has been accused of teaching sexist, homophobic,
>neo-confederate, and many other doctrines that are probably as repugnant
as
>drug dealing and prostitution to the majority of Palouse region citizens.
>
>Naturally people want to know the facts. An open society thrives on
>critical examination of ideas. If Logos is indoctrinating children with
the
>doctrines mentioned above, people have a right to be concerned.
>
>If Logos is ashamed or embarrassed by what they are doing, then they
won't
>answer the concerns expressed by Rose Huskey which are shared by many
>people.
>
>If Logos thinks their doctrines are correct, then the facts should be
>offered. If the doctrines are correct, then these doctrines should be
able
>to stand the test of critical examination. If the doctrines are not
correct
>and Logos is unable to successfully defend them, then the community has
>choices to make.
>
>
>Art Deco (Wayne Fox)
>deco@moscow.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Strand
> To: DonaldH675@aol.com ; pduffau@adelphia.net ; vision2020@moscow.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 3:00 PM
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Logos Questions, and I why I expect Tom
>Garfield to respond
>
>
> Ms. Huskey,
>
>
>
> I must admit I've have always had a problem with the
>"if-you-have-nothing-to-hide-why-don't-you-tell-us" approach. Many of the
>questions you asked are the business of Logos school and the people who
>enroll their children there. If Mr. Garfield declines to answer, are we
then
>going to respond with a "Well, what are you hiding"?
>
>
>
> When I was co-owner of Pacific Simulation I would be asked questions
like
>"are female engineers paid the same as their male co-workers"? If I'm not
>willing to discuss this with people outside the company, does this mean
I'm
>hiding something? Since when is full disclosure equated with ethical
>practices? As long as I followed federal guidelines, these things are
simply
>not the concern of people outside the organization. If I wanted to keep
>quality people, I would pay them well and treat them fairly. So was I
hiding
>something? Sorry - that's our concern, not anyone else's.
>
>
>
> Every question you asked would be things I would also ask if I was
>considering having my children attend Logos. However, my three daughters
>attend MSD where they receive what I consider to be a quality education.
I
>think that contacting Mr. Garfield as has been suggested is a good idea.
But
>if he chooses not to respond, it just means that Logos prefers their
>privacy. I do hope he answers as I am interested in what he would say.
But I
>won't draw any conclusions about Logos if he doesn't reply.
>
>
>
> When my teenage daughter prefers her bedroom door to be closed when
she is
>chatting with her friends, this doesn't mean she is doing anything
illegal,
>immoral or discourteous. It just means she likes her privacy.
>
>
>
> Bill Strand
>
>
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<DIV>Normal Folks,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Another sandbagging response!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Changing the subject does not answer the questions or the =
arguments. =20
Only one person consistently does this in the Palouse area forums. =
You=20
don't need tracking software to identify him.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Not getting a response from Mr. Garfield will have some interesting =
consequences.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Art Deco (Wayne Fox)<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<A title=3Dpsstile@hotmail.com =
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</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Ddeco@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 11, 2004 =
5:51=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Re: =
Logos=20
Questions, and I why I expect Tom Garfield to respond</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3DRTE>
<P>Mr. Fox should be thankful that no compulsory attendance laws exist =
which=20
would require him to send his children to Logos, and that he does not =
have=20
submit to an "approved" exemption to those laws in order to =
educate his=20
children.</P>
<P>He should also be thankful that he is not compellled to pay taxes =
to=20
support Logos - especially in light of the fact that it seems to be a=20
violation of the dictates of his conscience. Not every citizen =
can say=20
that they aren't compelled to pay for schools they believe violate the =
dictates of their consciences.</P>
<P>As Thomas Jefferson said (and yes, Nick, I have the =
original source=20
material for this quote if you'd like), "To compel a man to =
furnish=20
contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he =
disbelieves=20
and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical."<SPAN=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT></DIV>>From: "Art Deco aka W. Fox"=20
<DECO@MOSCOW.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>To: <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Logos Questions, and I =
why I=20
expect Tom Garfield to respond=20
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:15:13 -0800=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Bill, et al,=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Perhaps your argument would be a little stronger if we =
were not=20
talking were=20
<DIV></DIV>>not about a school which is shaping young citizens of =
our=20
community.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Suppose there was a school called =
Ecstasy. Suppose=20
rumors were that this=20
<DIV></DIV>>school taught young men and women how to pursue a =
profitable=20
career in drug=20
<DIV></DIV>>dealing or prostitution.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Would not the community have an interest in what is =
going on at=20
that school?=20
<DIV></DIV>>Would non-responses to questions from concerned =
citizens from=20
the school=20
<DIV></DIV>>headmaster create further rumors and distrust?=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Logos school has been accused of teaching sexist, =
homophobic,=20
<DIV></DIV>>neo-confederate, and many other doctrines that are =
probably as=20
repugnant as=20
<DIV></DIV>>drug dealing and prostitution to the majority of =
Palouse region=20
citizens.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Naturally people want to know the facts. An =
open=20
society thrives on=20
<DIV></DIV>>critical examination of ideas. If Logos is=20
indoctrinating children with the=20
<DIV></DIV>>doctrines mentioned above, people have a right to be =
concerned.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>If Logos is ashamed or embarrassed by what they are =
doing, then=20
they won't=20
<DIV></DIV>>answer the concerns expressed by Rose Huskey which are =
shared=20
by many=20
<DIV></DIV>>people.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>If Logos thinks their doctrines are correct, then the =
facts=20
should be=20
<DIV></DIV>>offered. If the doctrines are correct, then =
these=20
doctrines should be able=20
<DIV></DIV>>to stand the test of critical =
examination. If the=20
doctrines are not correct=20
<DIV></DIV>>and Logos is unable to successfully defend them, then =
the=20
community has=20
<DIV></DIV>>choices to make.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>Art Deco (Wayne Fox)=20
<DIV></DIV>>deco@moscow.com=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> ----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV></DIV>> From: Bill Strand=20
<DIV></DIV>> To: DonaldH675@aol.com ; =
pduffau@adelphia.net ;=20
vision2020@moscow.com=20
<DIV></DIV>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 3:00 PM=20
<DIV></DIV>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Logos =
Questions, and=20
I why I expect Tom=20
<DIV></DIV>>Garfield to respond=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> Ms. Huskey,=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> I must admit I've have always had a =
problem with=20
the=20
<DIV></DIV>>"if-you-have-nothing-to-hide-why-don't-you-tell-us" =
approach.=20
Many of the=20
<DIV></DIV>>questions you asked are the business of Logos school =
and the=20
people who=20
<DIV></DIV>>enroll their children there. If Mr. Garfield declines =
to=20
answer, are we then=20
<DIV></DIV>>going to respond with a "Well, what are you hiding"?=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> When I was co-owner of Pacific Simulation =
I would=20
be asked questions like=20
<DIV></DIV>>"are female engineers paid the same as their male =
co-workers"?=20
If I'm not=20
<DIV></DIV>>willing to discuss this with people outside the =
company, does=20
this mean I'm=20
<DIV></DIV>>hiding something? Since when is full disclosure equated =
with=20
ethical=20
<DIV></DIV>>practices? As long as I followed federal guidelines, =
these=20
things are simply=20
<DIV></DIV>>not the concern of people outside the organization. If =
I wanted=20
to keep=20
<DIV></DIV>>quality people, I would pay them well and treat them =
fairly. So=20
was I hiding=20
<DIV></DIV>>something? Sorry - that's our concern, not anyone =
else's.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> Every question you asked would be things I =
would=20
also ask if I was=20
<DIV></DIV>>considering having my children attend Logos. However, =
my three=20
daughters=20
<DIV></DIV>>attend MSD where they receive what I consider to be a =
quality=20
education. I=20
<DIV></DIV>>think that contacting Mr. Garfield as has been =
suggested is a=20
good idea. But=20
<DIV></DIV>>if he chooses not to respond, it just means that Logos =
prefers=20
their=20
<DIV></DIV>>privacy. I do hope he answers as I am interested in =
what he=20
would say. But I=20
<DIV></DIV>>won't draw any conclusions about Logos if he doesn't =
reply.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> When my teenage daughter prefers her =
bedroom door=20
to be closed when she is=20
<DIV></DIV>>chatting with her friends, this doesn't mean she is =
doing=20
anything illegal,=20
<DIV></DIV>>immoral or discourteous. It just means she likes her =
privacy.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> Bill Strand=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
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