[Vision2020] Civics 101 for Mr. Stile

P.S. Stile psstile@hotmail.com
Fri, 05 Mar 2004 08:38:24 -0800


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<P dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT size=3>Dear Mr. Gier:<BR><BR>Bible 101, Civics 101, and "Virtue" Ethics 101, hmmm... seems more like life according to Nick.<BR><BR>Really, you are reading far more into what was posted than was intended.&nbsp; Your comments do, however, betray a&nbsp; lack of&nbsp; eschatological&nbsp;understanding of the Christianity you decry.&nbsp; The quotes simply supplied historical context to the idea that marriage defined biblically smacks of theocracy, which is ridiculous<SPAN class=547023015-05032004> on its face</SPAN>.&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></P>
<P dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT size=3>Your scholarship is slipping because there was no mention of any "Wilsonian theocracy" in either Tom's post nor my response. But again,&nbsp;<SPAN class=547023015-05032004>not one </SPAN>jot or tittle&nbsp;<SPAN class=547023015-05032004>is written </SPAN>without mention of the name. By way of refresher, here is the exact exchange that took place.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>&gt;Greetings Visionaires - </FONT></P>
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<P dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT size=2>&gt;Another thing.&nbsp;&nbsp;Attempting to legally define marriage, by consitutional amendment, in terms commensurate with the bible wreaks of theocracy to me. </FONT></P>
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<P><FONT size=2>&gt;Take care, </FONT></P>
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<P dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT size=2>&gt;Tom Hansen </FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3>To which I responded (I've not included the quotes)<SPAN class=547023015-05032004>:</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=2>&gt;&gt;Seems from the quotes below that those “theocrats” have been around for a long time.&nbsp; Those unenlightened scoundrels - off with their heads!</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3>Note, please, that&nbsp;the term theocrat is in quotes.</FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3>&nbsp;I don't idolize the past, nor the Constitution, or even the Declaration&nbsp;-&nbsp;my faith is in something far greater.&nbsp; Additionally,&nbsp;that something represents the antithesis of Unitarianism<SPAN class=547023015-05032004>.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><SPAN class=547023015-05032004>R</SPAN>eligious neutral<SPAN class=547023015-05032004>ity?&nbsp; Impossible.</SPAN>&nbsp;America will never be "religiously free<SPAN class=547023015-05032004>,</SPAN><SPAN class=547023015-05032004>"&nbsp; and that's a truth basic to Civics 101.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN class=547023015-05032004><FONT size=3>For now,</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;From: Nick Gier <NGIER@UIDAHO.EDU>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;To: vision2020@moscow.com 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: [Vision2020] Civics 101 for Mr. Stile 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 21:42:14 -0800 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Dear Mr. Stile: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;A while back in response to a charge of Wilsonian theocracy, you 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;quoted from several famous Americans presumably to show that they 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;favored an American theocracy.&nbsp;&nbsp;I have two request of you. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;1. I'm very suspicious of the quotation from George Washington, and 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;I would like for you to locate a reference in his own writings.&nbsp;&nbsp;I 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;don't think you will find it there. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;2.&nbsp;&nbsp;I would like to find for us any mention of God's laws in the U. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;S. Constitution.&nbsp;&nbsp;This, not the sayings of famous Americans, is the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;law of our great nation. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;And remember the God of the Declaration of Independence was 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;"Nature's God" not the Biblical God.&nbsp;&nbsp;Jefferson chose that phrase 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;very carefully. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;I love the reluctant confession of Episcopal minister Bird Wilson, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;who admitted in October, 1831, that "Among all our presidents from 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;not of more than Unitarianism."&nbsp;&nbsp;Since the Unitarian church was not 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;officially founded until 1825, I prefer to call these fellows 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;"religious liberals,"and you can find my article on them at 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;www.uidaho.edu/ngier/305/foundfathers.htm. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;By the way, Mr. Stile, Doug Wilson once read this article and 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;admitted that it was accurate. 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Yours for a religiously free America, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Nick Gier 
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