[Vision2020] Civics 101 for Mr. Stile
P.S. Stile
psstile@hotmail.com
Fri, 05 Mar 2004 08:38:24 -0800
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<P dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT size=3>Dear Mr. Gier:<BR><BR>Bible 101, Civics 101, and "Virtue" Ethics 101, hmmm... seems more like life according to Nick.<BR><BR>Really, you are reading far more into what was posted than was intended. Your comments do, however, betray a lack of eschatological understanding of the Christianity you decry. The quotes simply supplied historical context to the idea that marriage defined biblically smacks of theocracy, which is ridiculous<SPAN class=547023015-05032004> on its face</SPAN>. </FONT></P>
<P dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT size=3>Your scholarship is slipping because there was no mention of any "Wilsonian theocracy" in either Tom's post nor my response. But again, <SPAN class=547023015-05032004>not one </SPAN>jot or tittle <SPAN class=547023015-05032004>is written </SPAN>without mention of the name. By way of refresher, here is the exact exchange that took place.<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT size=2>>Greetings Visionaires - </FONT></P>
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<P dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT size=2>>Another thing. Attempting to legally define marriage, by consitutional amendment, in terms commensurate with the bible wreaks of theocracy to me. </FONT></P>
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<P><FONT size=2>>Take care, </FONT></P>
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<P dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT size=2>>Tom Hansen </FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3>To which I responded (I've not included the quotes)<SPAN class=547023015-05032004>:</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=2>>>Seems from the quotes below that those theocrats have been around for a long time. Those unenlightened scoundrels - off with their heads!</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3>Note, please, that the term theocrat is in quotes.</FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3> I don't idolize the past, nor the Constitution, or even the Declaration - my faith is in something far greater. Additionally, that something represents the antithesis of Unitarianism<SPAN class=547023015-05032004>.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><SPAN class=547023015-05032004>R</SPAN>eligious neutral<SPAN class=547023015-05032004>ity? Impossible.</SPAN> America will never be "religiously free<SPAN class=547023015-05032004>,</SPAN><SPAN class=547023015-05032004>" and that's a truth basic to Civics 101.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=ltr style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN class=547023015-05032004><FONT size=3>For now,</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: Nick Gier <NGIER@UIDAHO.EDU>
<DIV></DIV>>To: vision2020@moscow.com
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: [Vision2020] Civics 101 for Mr. Stile
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 21:42:14 -0800
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<DIV></DIV>>Dear Mr. Stile:
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<DIV></DIV>>A while back in response to a charge of Wilsonian theocracy, you
<DIV></DIV>>quoted from several famous Americans presumably to show that they
<DIV></DIV>>favored an American theocracy. I have two request of you.
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<DIV></DIV>>1. I'm very suspicious of the quotation from George Washington, and
<DIV></DIV>>I would like for you to locate a reference in his own writings. I
<DIV></DIV>>don't think you will find it there.
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<DIV></DIV>>2. I would like to find for us any mention of God's laws in the U.
<DIV></DIV>>S. Constitution. This, not the sayings of famous Americans, is the
<DIV></DIV>>law of our great nation.
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<DIV></DIV>>And remember the God of the Declaration of Independence was
<DIV></DIV>>"Nature's God" not the Biblical God. Jefferson chose that phrase
<DIV></DIV>>very carefully.
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<DIV></DIV>>I love the reluctant confession of Episcopal minister Bird Wilson,
<DIV></DIV>>who admitted in October, 1831, that "Among all our presidents from
<DIV></DIV>>Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least
<DIV></DIV>>not of more than Unitarianism." Since the Unitarian church was not
<DIV></DIV>>officially founded until 1825, I prefer to call these fellows
<DIV></DIV>>"religious liberals,"and you can find my article on them at
<DIV></DIV>>www.uidaho.edu/ngier/305/foundfathers.htm.
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<DIV></DIV>>By the way, Mr. Stile, Doug Wilson once read this article and
<DIV></DIV>>admitted that it was accurate.
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<DIV></DIV>>Yours for a religiously free America,
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<DIV></DIV>>Nick Gier
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