[Vision2020] Re: another question for Doug Wilson
Thomas Bartnick
Smectymnus@earthlink.net
Fri, 5 Mar 2004 08:44:58 -0800
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Fellow Visionaries
=20
Wilson says,
=20
=93And lest some anonymous poster take this as an invitation to lecture =
us on shame and shamelessness, let me point out that thus far he has =
been too craven and embarrassed to sign his own name. Shame, aye. Wisdom =
is identified by her children, and folly by her bastards.=94
=20
But this raises an interesting question. How come every time Rose Huskey =
touches one of Wilson=92s exposed nerves, a new =93forum member=94 =
arrives to let her have it? We have =93Edna #1,=94 Doug =93the Bubba=94 =
Jones, =93A. Tad Nosey,=94 =93P.S. Stile,=94 and now =93Kyle =
DeSpinauer.=94=20
=20
Anonymity bothers Wilson except when it serves his deceitful ends. =
Surely he remembers the time that he anonymously doctored the =93Welcome =
to Moscow=94 sign on the Pullman Highway so that he could grandstand on =
women=92s breasts.
=20
Come to think of it, he paid off the casino house just two months before =
he scolded the Palouse for the topless carwash. Maybe if the Morton =
Street Casino=92s playing cards were adorned with naked women, he would =
have had cause of action to discipline the gamblers.
=20
I could cite other examples of Wilson hiding behind anonymity, but =
I=92ll keep those cards close to my . . . my breast. Aye, wisdom is =
identified by her children, folly by her bastards, and wickedness by its =
fruit.
=20
Thomas Bartnick
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "bill london" <london@moscow.com>
To: "Douglas" <dougwils@moscow.com>
Cc: <credenda@moscow.com>; "Vision2020" <vision2020@moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:32 AM
Subject: [Vision2020] Re: another question for Doug Wilson
> D-
> Thanks for continuing to respond, as I continue to seek answers.
>=20
> First, I would like to reply to your question posed in the final=20
> paragraph (in the message reprinted below): "Bill, do your people have =
> no shame?" Doug, the authors of the dougsplotch website are not my=20
> people. I do not know who created that website, and first learned of =
it=20
> when I read about it on V2020. And as to whether or not they have any =
> shame, I can not answer, but I do presume they are interested in=20
> learning the truth about this casino incident, as I am. Which brings =
me=20
> to these questions....
>=20
> As I read your last posting, you agreed that the 8 contentions below,=20
> which I listed in my previous email as the core message of the=20
> dougsplotch website, are accurate--with the exception of #3 and #4.
> 1. in the fall of 2001, Christ Church member Ethan opens a casino in a =
> garage in Moscow, offering illegal gambling and alcohol. church member =
> Brett serves as bank
> 2. in Dec of 2001, you found out about the casino and took the =
following=20
> action: cancelled all debts, including $4,500 owed to the bank and =
tells=20
> those who had won approximately $1000 from the bank to return it to =
the=20
> bank.
> 3. Ethan said the casino was OK'ed by another Christ Church officer.
> 4. Casino players who won the $1000 refuse to return the money.
> 5. Brett contacts you to get his $1000
> 6. Christ Church elders take $1000 from church general funds and you=20
> give it to Brett in June 2002
> 7. Brett wants to declare the $1000 as income in reporting federal tax =
> in 2003 (and wants IRS form 1099 from church to explain receipt).
> 8. Christ Church refuses to supply IRS form 1099.
>=20
> Regarding #3: You did not specifically refer to this allegation. Is =
it=20
> true that Ethan said that the casino was OK'ed by an officer of your=20
> church? Was it? If so, by which officer?
>=20
> Regarding #4: You said Brett refused to accept money from one of the=20
> several players who won money at the casino. That contradicts the=20
> information presented on the dougsplotch website. That raises another =
> question: did Brett refuse money from all the players who were =
supposed=20
> to repay their winnings?
>=20
> Thanks BL
>=20
> -----------------------------=20
> Douglas wrote:
>=20
> >
> > Dear Bill,
> >
> > Since you posted your question to v2020, I would appreciate it if =
you=20
> > passed along my answer in its entirety. As I mentioned to you =
before,=20
> > I have never before seen such a combination of malevolence and=20
> > incompetence. And if it is not too late, you need to take great care =
> > because this deadly combination appears to be catching.
> >
> > An initial observation that I will repeat again at the close of this =
> > post is this. I strongly object to the necessity of having to answer =
> > charges manufactured out of private pastoral correspondence. As a=20
> > pastor, counseling many people on many sensitive issues, you need to =
> > know that I now have to proceed on the supposition that at some =
point=20
> > Bill London will be rifling through the exchanges, and posting=20
> > questions about it on the Internet. I have to assume this because I=20
> > know from direct experience that many of my adversaries in this town =
> > have no sense of propriety or proportion. And lest some anonymous=20
> > poster take this as an invitation to lecture us on shame and=20
> > shamelessness, let me point out that thus far he has been too craven =
> > and embarrassed to sign his own name. Shame, aye. Wisdom is =
identified=20
> > by her children, and folly by her bastards.
> >
> > But since the wickedness is already done, my duty is to try to=20
> > ameliorate the damage to those who are being wronged in this. So try =
> > this chronology on:
> >
> > 1. Brett Bauer begins to behave in such an atrocious, illegal,=20
> > disrespectful, and unloving fashion that he ruins his credibility as =
a=20
> > witness to everyone in the world except for James Nelson and Thomas=20
> > Bartnick.
> >
> > 2. The elders of Christ Church find out about his gambling =
operation,=20
> > shut it down, rebuke all the participants and culpable by-standers,=20
> > negate all debts incurred, and require all parties to return the =
money=20
> > they acquired. Are those the charges? Then we are as guilty as it=20
> > gets. And you may confirm our "guilt" in this matter by referring to =
> > the documents posted by our judicially-blinded adversaries.
> >
> > 3. In the aftermath, Brett Bauer refuses to take money from one of=20
> > guys attempting to return his winnings, while complaining at the =
same=20
> > time that the church was robbing him through our mediation. In order =
> > to be above all reproach, our elders appropriated the money to =
ensure=20
> > the gambling restitution (not debts) was paid to him, entered that=20
> > transaction in our minutes as part of our COVER-UP, I gave the money =
> > to Brett personally and warned him about the state of his soul, and=20
> > Brett was so concerned about the morality of the whole business that =
> > he went and cashed the check. We also instructed the young men=20
> > concerned that they could donate money back to our deacons' fund=20
> > instead of paying restitution to Brett. And that money was donated =
to=20
> > the deacons' fund by the Atwoods.
> >
> > 4. Brett suddenly acquires scruples about the tax status of his =
money=20
> > that had been returned to him. But if I left my wallet on a =
restaurant=20
> > table, and the waiter chased me down and gave it to me, he would not =
> > also owe me a W-2.
> >
> > 5. Years later, anti-gambling crusaders (e.g. anti-Christ Church, =
any=20
> > stick is good enough to throw) show up, find that Brett Bauer has=20
> > apparent credibility, and want answers now.
> >
> > And here I return to my first point. Bill, do your people have no=20
> > shame? No sense of decency? "An ungodly man digs up evil, and it is =
on=20
> > his lips like a burning fire" (Prov. 16:27).
> >
> > Douglas Wilson
> >
> > P.S. My wife and I count as one of the great privileges of our life=20
> > our friendship with Roy and Bev Atwood, a godly and gracious =
Christian=20
> > couple. And I am pleased that their son Ethan appears to be past the =
> > difficulties that beset him a few years ago. He certainly has been =
far=20
> > more teachable and receptive of correction than all his critics put=20
> > together.
> >
> >
> >
> > At 04:02 PM 2/29/2004 -0800, you wrote:
> >
> >> D-
> >> Thanks for your response to my question about the accuracy of the=20
> >> information on the <www.dougsplotch.net> website.
> >> You suggested that I carefully read the documentation that is=20
> >> provided on that site and then find the proof there that the =
charges=20
> >> are false.
> >> I did carefully read the documentation and did not find the proof=20
> >> that the charges are false. Maybe, if you were specific regarding=20
> >> the points raised, we could get this sorted out.
> >>
> >> So, please specifically comment on the accuracy of the following=20
> >> points made on the website:
> >> 1. in the fall of 2001, Christ Church member Ethan opens a casino =
in=20
> >> a garage in Moscow, offering illegal gambling and alcohol. church=20
> >> member Brett serves as bank
> >> 2. in Dec of 2001, you found out about the casino and took the=20
> >> following action: cancelled all debts, including $4,500 owed to the =
> >> bank and tells those who had won approximately $1000 from the bank =
to=20
> >> return it to the bank.
> >> 3. Ethan said the casino was OK'ed by another Christ Church =
officer.
> >> 4. Casino players who won the $1000 refuse to return the money.
> >> 5. Brett contacts you to get his $1000
> >> 6. Christ Church elders take $1000 from church general funds and =
you=20
> >> give it to Brett in June 2002
> >> 7. Brett wants to declare the $1000 as income in reporting federal=20
> >> tax in 2003 (and wants IRS form 1099 from church to explain =
receipt).
> >> 8. Christ Church refuses to supply IRS form 1099.
> >>
> >> Please address the accuracy of these 8 points. The documentation =
on=20
> >> that website (emails and letters reproduced) indicates these 8 =
points=20
> >> are accurate.
> >> BL
> >>
> >>
> >> Douglas wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Dear Bill,
> >>>
> >>> What you need to do is look at what the web site claims about us,=20
> >>> and then carefully read the documentation they provide for it. =
They=20
> >>> basically provide ample proof that their charges are false, so you =
> >>> really need nothing further from me. I have never before in my =
life=20
> >>> seen such a combination of malevolence and incompetence. But =
thanks=20
> >>> for checking with me.
> >>>
> >>> Cordially,
> >>>
> >>> Douglas
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> At 09:39 AM 2/27/2004 -0800, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> D-
> >>>> I have visited the website <http://www.dougsplotch.net>.
> >>>>
> >>>> This website focuses on a series of incidents about an alleged=20
> >>>> casino operation involving a number of members of your church. =20
> >>>> According to the website documents, the casino story began in the =
> >>>> fall of 2001, when the son of the dean of New St. Andrews College =
> >>>> opened a blackjack casino in his garage.
> >>>>
> >>>> The website explains that the casino was a fully operational =
gaming=20
> >>>> facility equipped with books, chips, wet bar, free alcohol, a=20
> >>>> secret doorbell, casino trappings, credited money from the house, =
> >>>> and a $100 betting-limit per hand. In addition to violating state =
> >>>> laws, such as dispensing alcohol to minors, the casino violated=20
> >>>> federal statutes, including a handful of racketeering laws. The=20
> >>>> casino s patrons were all members in good standing at Christ=20
> >>>> Church; many were students at New St. Andrews.
> >>>>
> >>>> According to the documents provided on that website, when you=20
> >>>> discovered the casino, you paid $1,000 from church funds to =
settle=20
> >>>> the debts and protect the casino operators.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is the information provided on this website accurate?
> >>>> BL
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face=3DGaramond size=3D3>=93And lest some anonymous poster take this as =
an invitation=20
to lecture us on shame and shamelessness, let me point out that thus far =
he has=20
been too craven and embarrassed to sign his own name. Shame, aye. Wisdom =
is=20
identified by her children, and folly by her bastards.=94</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3DGaramond> <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3DGaramond>But this raises an interesting question. How come every =
time Rose=20
Huskey touches one of Wilson=92s exposed nerves, a new =93forum =
member=94 arrives to=20
let her have it? We have =93Edna #1,=94 Doug =93the Bubba=94 Jones, =
=93A. Tad Nosey,=94=20
=93P.S. Stile,=94 and now =93<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><A=20
title=3Dregionalenquirer@hotmail.com=20
href=3D"mailto:regionalenquirer@hotmail.com"><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: =
none">Kyle=20
DeSpinauer</SPAN></A>.=94 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DGaramond =
size=3D3>Anonymity bothers Wilson except when it serves his deceitful =
ends. Surely=20
he remembers the time that he anonymously doctored the =93Welcome to =
Moscow=94 sign=20
on the Pullman Highway so that he could grandstand on women=92s=20
breasts.</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3DGaramond> <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DGaramond =
size=3D3>Come=20
to think of it, he paid off the casino house just two months before he =
scolded=20
the Palouse for the topless carwash. Maybe if the Morton Street =
Casino=92s playing=20
cards were adorned with naked women, he would have had cause of action =
to=20
discipline the gamblers.</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3DGaramond> <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DGaramond =
size=3D3>I=20
could cite other examples of Wilson hiding behind anonymity, but I=92ll =
keep those=20
cards close to my . . . my breast. <SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Garamond; =
mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times =
New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; =
mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Aye,=20
wisdom is identified by her children, folly by her bastards, and =
wickedness by=20
its fruit.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=3DGaramond> <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DGaramond =
size=3D3>Thomas=20
Bartnick</FONT></P>
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<DIV>----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV>From: "bill london" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:london@moscow.com">london@moscow.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>To: "Douglas" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:dougwils@moscow.com">dougwils@moscow.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>Cc: <<A =
href=3D"mailto:credenda@moscow.com">credenda@moscow.com</A>>;=20
"Vision2020" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>></DIV>=
<DIV>Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:32 AM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: [Vision2020] Re: another question for Doug =
Wilson</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>> D-<BR>> Thanks for continuing to respond, as I =
continue=20
to seek answers.<BR>> <BR>> First, I would like to reply to your =
question=20
posed in the final <BR>> paragraph (in the message reprinted below): =
"Bill,=20
do your people have <BR>> no shame?" Doug, the authors of the=20
dougsplotch website are not my <BR>> people. I do not know who =
created=20
that website, and first learned of it <BR>> when I read about it on=20
V2020. And as to whether or not they have any <BR>> shame, I =
can not=20
answer, but I do presume they are interested in <BR>> learning the =
truth=20
about this casino incident, as I am. Which brings me <BR>> to =
these=20
questions....<BR>> <BR>> As I read your last posting, you agreed =
that the=20
8 contentions below, <BR>> which I listed in my previous email as the =
core=20
message of the <BR>> dougsplotch website, are accurate--with the =
exception of=20
#3 and #4.<BR>> 1. in the fall of 2001, Christ Church member Ethan =
opens a=20
casino in a <BR>> garage in Moscow, offering illegal gambling and =
alcohol.=20
church member <BR>> Brett serves as bank<BR>> 2. in Dec of 2001, =
you found=20
out about the casino and took the following <BR>> action: cancelled =
all=20
debts, including $4,500 owed to the bank and tells <BR>> those who =
had won=20
approximately $1000 from the bank to return it to the <BR>> =
bank.<BR>> 3.=20
Ethan said the casino was OK'ed by another Christ Church =
officer.<BR>> 4.=20
Casino players who won the $1000 refuse to return the money.<BR>> 5. =
Brett=20
contacts you to get his $1000<BR>> 6. Christ Church elders take $1000 =
from=20
church general funds and you <BR>> give it to Brett in June =
2002<BR>> 7.=20
Brett wants to declare the $1000 as income in reporting federal tax =
<BR>> in=20
2003 (and wants IRS form 1099 from church to explain receipt).<BR>> =
8. Christ=20
Church refuses to supply IRS form 1099.<BR>> <BR>> Regarding =
#3: You=20
did not specifically refer to this allegation. Is it <BR>> true =
that=20
Ethan said that the casino was OK'ed by an officer of your <BR>>=20
church? Was it? If so, by which officer?<BR>> <BR>> =
Regarding=20
#4: You said Brett refused to accept money from one of the <BR>> =
several=20
players who won money at the casino. That contradicts the <BR>> =
information presented on the dougsplotch website. That raises =
another=20
<BR>> question: did Brett refuse money from all the players who were =
supposed=20
<BR>> to repay their winnings?<BR>> <BR>> Thanks BL<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
----------------------------- <BR>> Douglas wrote:<BR>> <BR>>=20
><BR>> > Dear Bill,<BR>> ><BR>> > Since you posted =
your=20
question to v2020, I would appreciate it if you <BR>> > passed =
along my=20
answer in its entirety. As I mentioned to you before, <BR>> > I =
have never=20
before seen such a combination of malevolence and <BR>> > =
incompetence.=20
And if it is not too late, you need to take great care <BR>> > =
because=20
this deadly combination appears to be catching.<BR>> ><BR>> =
> An=20
initial observation that I will repeat again at the close of this =
<BR>> >=20
post is this. I strongly object to the necessity of having to answer =
<BR>>=20
> charges manufactured out of private pastoral correspondence. As a =
<BR>>=20
> pastor, counseling many people on many sensitive issues, you need =
to=20
<BR>> > know that I now have to proceed on the supposition that at =
some=20
point <BR>> > Bill London will be rifling through the exchanges, =
and=20
posting <BR>> > questions about it on the Internet. I have to =
assume this=20
because I <BR>> > know from direct experience that many of my =
adversaries=20
in this town <BR>> > have no sense of propriety or proportion. And =
lest=20
some anonymous <BR>> > poster take this as an invitation to =
lecture us on=20
shame and <BR>> > shamelessness, let me point out that thus far he =
has=20
been too craven <BR>> > and embarrassed to sign his own name. =
Shame, aye.=20
Wisdom is identified <BR>> > by her children, and folly by her=20
bastards.<BR>> ><BR>> > But since the wickedness is already =
done, my=20
duty is to try to <BR>> > ameliorate the damage to those who are =
being=20
wronged in this. So try <BR>> > this chronology on:<BR>> =
><BR>>=20
> 1. Brett Bauer begins to behave in such an atrocious, illegal, =
<BR>>=20
> disrespectful, and unloving fashion that he ruins his credibility =
as a=20
<BR>> > witness to everyone in the world except for James Nelson =
and=20
Thomas <BR>> > Bartnick.<BR>> ><BR>> > 2. The elders =
of Christ=20
Church find out about his gambling operation, <BR>> > shut it =
down, rebuke=20
all the participants and culpable by-standers, <BR>> > negate all =
debts=20
incurred, and require all parties to return the money <BR>> > they =
acquired. Are those the charges? Then we are as guilty as it <BR>> =
> gets.=20
And you may confirm our "guilt" in this matter by referring to <BR>> =
> the=20
documents posted by our judicially-blinded adversaries.<BR>> =
><BR>>=20
> 3. In the aftermath, Brett Bauer refuses to take money from one of =
<BR>>=20
> guys attempting to return his winnings, while complaining at the =
same=20
<BR>> > time that the church was robbing him through our =
mediation. In=20
order <BR>> > to be above all reproach, our elders appropriated =
the money=20
to ensure <BR>> > the gambling restitution (not debts) was paid to =
him,=20
entered that <BR>> > transaction in our minutes as part of our =
COVER-UP, I=20
gave the money <BR>> > to Brett personally and warned him about =
the state=20
of his soul, and <BR>> > Brett was so concerned about the morality =
of the=20
whole business that <BR>> > he went and cashed the check. We also=20
instructed the young men <BR>> > concerned that they could donate =
money=20
back to our deacons' fund <BR>> > instead of paying restitution to =
Brett.=20
And that money was donated to <BR>> > the deacons' fund by the=20
Atwoods.<BR>> ><BR>> > 4. Brett suddenly acquires scruples =
about the=20
tax status of his money <BR>> > that had been returned to him. But =
if I=20
left my wallet on a restaurant <BR>> > table, and the waiter =
chased me=20
down and gave it to me, he would not <BR>> > also owe me a =
W-2.<BR>>=20
><BR>> > 5. Years later, anti-gambling crusaders (e.g. =
anti-Christ=20
Church, any <BR>> > stick is good enough to throw) show up, find =
that=20
Brett Bauer has <BR>> > apparent credibility, and want answers=20
now.<BR>> ><BR>> > And here I return to my first point. =
Bill, do=20
your people have no <BR>> > shame? No sense of decency? "An =
ungodly man=20
digs up evil, and it is on <BR>> > his lips like a burning fire" =
(Prov.=20
16:27).<BR>> ><BR>> > Douglas Wilson<BR>> ><BR>> =
> P.S.=20
My wife and I count as one of the great privileges of our life <BR>> =
> our=20
friendship with Roy and Bev Atwood, a godly and gracious Christian =
<BR>> >=20
couple. And I am pleased that their son Ethan appears to be past the =
<BR>>=20
> difficulties that beset him a few years ago. He certainly has been =
far=20
<BR>> > more teachable and receptive of correction than all his =
critics=20
put <BR>> > together.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> =
><BR>> >=20
At 04:02 PM 2/29/2004 -0800, you wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> >> =
D-<BR>>=20
>> Thanks for your response to my question about the accuracy of =
the=20
<BR>> >> information on the <<A=20
href=3D"http://www.dougsplotch.net">www.dougsplotch.net</A>> =
website.<BR>>=20
>> You suggested that I carefully read the documentation that is =
<BR>>=20
>> provided on that site and then find the proof there that the =
charges=20
<BR>> >> are false.<BR>> >> I did carefully read the=20
documentation and did not find the proof <BR>> >> that the =
charges are=20
false. Maybe, if you were specific regarding <BR>> >> the =
points=20
raised, we could get this sorted out.<BR>> >><BR>> >> =
So,=20
please specifically comment on the accuracy of the following <BR>> =
>>=20
points made on the website:<BR>> >> 1. in the fall of 2001, =
Christ=20
Church member Ethan opens a casino in <BR>> >> a garage in =
Moscow,=20
offering illegal gambling and alcohol. church <BR>> >> member =
Brett=20
serves as bank<BR>> >> 2. in Dec of 2001, you found out about =
the=20
casino and took the <BR>> >> following action: cancelled all =
debts,=20
including $4,500 owed to the <BR>> >> bank and tells those who =
had won=20
approximately $1000 from the bank to <BR>> >> return it to the=20
bank.<BR>> >> 3. Ethan said the casino was OK'ed by another =
Christ=20
Church officer.<BR>> >> 4. Casino players who won the $1000 =
refuse to=20
return the money.<BR>> >> 5. Brett contacts you to get his=20
$1000<BR>> >> 6. Christ Church elders take $1000 from church =
general=20
funds and you <BR>> >> give it to Brett in June 2002<BR>> =
>>=20
7. Brett wants to declare the $1000 as income in reporting federal =
<BR>>=20
>> tax in 2003 (and wants IRS form 1099 from church to explain=20
receipt).<BR>> >> 8. Christ Church refuses to supply IRS form=20
1099.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Please address the accuracy of =
these 8=20
points. The documentation on <BR>> >> that website =
(emails and=20
letters reproduced) indicates these 8 points <BR>> >> are=20
accurate.<BR>> >> BL<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> =
>>=20
Douglas wrote:<BR>> >><BR>> >>><BR>> =
>>> Dear=20
Bill,<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> What you need to do is =
look at=20
what the web site claims about us, <BR>> >>> and then =
carefully read=20
the documentation they provide for it. They <BR>> >>> =
basically=20
provide ample proof that their charges are false, so you <BR>> =
>>>=20
really need nothing further from me. I have never before in my life =
<BR>>=20
>>> seen such a combination of malevolence and incompetence. =
But thanks=20
<BR>> >>> for checking with me.<BR>> >>><BR>> =
>>> Cordially,<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>=20
Douglas<BR>> >>><BR>> >>><BR>> =
>>><BR>>=20
>>><BR>> >>> At 09:39 AM 2/27/2004 -0800, you=20
wrote:<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>> D-<BR>> =
>>>>=20
I have visited the website <<A=20
href=3D"http://www.dougsplotch.net">http://www.dougsplotch.net</A>>.<B=
R>>=20
>>>><BR>> >>>> This website focuses on a =
series of=20
incidents about an alleged <BR>> >>>> casino operation =
involving=20
a number of members of your church. <BR>> =
>>>>=20
According to the website documents, the casino story began in the =
<BR>>=20
>>>> fall of 2001, when the son of the dean of New St. =
Andrews=20
College <BR>> >>>> opened a blackjack casino in his=20
garage.<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> The website =
explains=20
that the casino was a fully operational gaming <BR>> >>>> =
facility equipped with books, chips, wet bar, free alcohol, a <BR>>=20
>>>> secret doorbell, casino trappings, credited money from =
the=20
house, <BR>> >>>> and a $100 betting-limit per hand. In =
addition=20
to violating state <BR>> >>>> laws, such as dispensing =
alcohol to=20
minors, the casino violated <BR>> >>>> federal statutes,=20
including a handful of racketeering laws. The <BR>> >>>> =
casino s=20
patrons were all members in good standing at Christ <BR>> =
>>>>=20
Church; many were students at New St. Andrews.<BR>> =
>>>><BR>>=20
>>>> According to the documents provided on that website, =
when you=20
<BR>> >>>> discovered the casino, you paid $1,000 from =
church=20
funds to settle <BR>> >>>> the debts and protect the =
casino=20
operators.<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> Is the =
information=20
provided on this website accurate?<BR>> >>>>=20
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