[Vision2020] Failed Attempt ot Answer Keely Emerinemix
Art Deco aka W. Fox
deco@moscow.com
Wed, 3 Mar 2004 16:36:57 -0800
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Jeremy, et al,
Your reply to Keely Emerinemix is a quite puzzling.
First and of least importance, my posting of Doug Jones private email to me
was not a breach of confidentiality. For there to be such a breach, there
must be prior agreement between the parties. I have never made such an
agreement with Mr. Jones, although I have with several other Christ Church
persons on previous occasions and have stood by that agreement.
Second, please look up the words "parody","satire", and "irony" in a decent
dictionary. That knowledge might help you read much better, understand life
much better, and also help you understand the current bad tempers at and
near the top of the cult.
Third, you make little of the casino affair. However, felonies were
committed, the statute of limitations has not expired, and therefore,
secular justice may still be exacted. [Watch this space for further
developments.]
Fourth, and most important, and though I am not a Christian, even as
slow-witted old man as I can see that you missed the main point of Ms.
Emerinemix's remarks.
Ms. Emerinemix argues that the Cult Master and his toadies are besmirching
Christ and the Gospels by their untoward, very unchristlike behavior.
In your Vision 2020 posting, you completely failed to address her argument.
In fact, you underscored it. Your description of Doug Jones as your elder
did not include loving, kind, patient, unselfish, forgiving -- the most
essential virtues of Christ. (Its too late now to recharacterize Jones.
Your Freudian slip is most revealing, not only of yourself but of Doug Jones
and his colleagues running the cult.)
Ms. Emerinemix's objectives as a Christian are to perform acts that make the
world a better, kinder, more loving place to live. Those kinds of actions
are far more likely to influence sincere Christians and others than
tyrannical ranting, egomaniacal bible thumping, and blatant dishonesty. Her
behavior is selfless, caring, and, giving.
Contrast Ms. Emerinemix's behavior that with Wilson, Garfield, Atwood,
Dickison, Jones (even as the self-depreciating toady that you paint him
as) -- controlling, dominating, selfish, empire building, sexist,
homophobic, intolerant to any that do not exactly share their world view,
blatantly dishonest and deceptive, fraudulently unscholarly, and devoid of
any sincere Christian agape -- and from my point of view, men with serious
mental health problems including delusions, delusions of grandeur,
castration complexes, and inferiority (to women) complexes to name just a
few.
While I do not believe in the theology and supernatural claims of
Christianity, I do not reject many of practical parts of the ethics that
Jesus, Buddha, Plato, Hobbes, etc. taught. The actions of people are of
much more importance to me than their philosophical or religious grounding.
I believe this way because there are tens of thousands of different gods
worshiped, but no tested, reliable way to determine which, if any, of these
are real. This fact alone strongly argues against the existence of an
omni-benevolent, omnipotent being. Why would such a so-described god leave
humankind in such a theological and spiritual quagmire?
Back to the real issue:
In simpler terms, my main point for all, including Christians and other
readers of the bible who can decide for themselves is: Ms. Emerinemix is a
far more Christ-like figure than any of the above mentioned culties will
ever be.
Further, it is doubtful that the above-mentioned culties will ever be able
to really understand the sentence just above.
Wayne Fox
__________________
From: Keely Emerinemix:
Lest Mr. Jones think that I'm picking on him, let me be quick to correct
him. "Picking on" would imply that I have an unreasonable, malicious basis
for offering the rebuke I am about to deliver -- as if, perhaps, he were the
new kid on the playground, the clumsy stock boy at work, or the dullard
holding up the line at Safeway. No, I'm afraid that I respond to Mr. Jones
the way one responds to a spiteful, sullen, and snotty teenager or a
callous, clueless, craven neighbor, both of whose behavior, come to think of
it, describes his remarkably well.
The prerogative of a sister in Christ is to tell her brother -- and she is
being hopeful and generous in her assessment here -- that he is behaving
badly, and that his continued breeziness in dragging the name of Christ
through the mud is not only causing immense harm to the Gospel and the
Church on the Palouse, but has eternal consequences that all of the art,
poetry, stout beer and classic literature in the world won't remedy.
Concern for his wellbeing, the wellbeing of those he dismisses so readily,
and for the testimony of Christ compels me, then, to suggest to Mr. Jones
that while acting like a bully might fulfill, if not utterly exhaust, his
creative yearnings, it has a terrible effect on one's spiritual life as
well, as evidenced in his response to Wayne Fox, below.
Mr. Jones says he's "quite happy" to have Wayne believe a whole hill of
lies. It appears that Wayne believes that certain Christ Church/NSA young
men and Christ Church staff were caught up in questionable behavior a couple
of years ago regarding the infamous casino. Fair enough; it seems a
reasonable conclusion given the evidence we have, and Doug Wilson's apparent
refusal to respond to Bill London's simple questions regarding the situation
doesn't help. But I wonder if Mr. Jones' glee over Wayne's casino beliefs
extends also to Wayne's entire belief system. Wayne has been nothing but
gracious to me, and if the ethic guiding his life is also "a whole hill of
lies," then I am grieved; I don't consider it "fun to watch," and I don't
consider any part of any wrong belief to be "an affordable loss." Wonder
why that is? And I wonder if I'm just hormonal, immature, or sickeningly
sentimental for caring what Wayne thinks of me -- for allowing myself to be
disliked because he perhaps disagrees with MY worldview, but at the same
condemning myself if he dislikes me for being rude, unloving, haughty, or
spiteful. And I can't help but wonder if my judging, or not, that Wayne is
"a person who loves life" matters one tiny bit at all. If Wayne Fox is to
be condemned by his creator, I would submit that it won't be on the basis of
how creative he is or how evident his zingy, robust love for life is. The
erudite Doug Jones should not need a homemaker with no theological training
to remind him of that, but she offers it nonetheless.
It's simple. Doug Jones is behaving in a most unchristian manner, and as a
Christian I am beyond heartsick about it. The Scriptures say it best,
perhaps: "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to
give the reason for the hope that you have, but do this with GENTLENESS and
RESPECT, keeping a clear conscience so that those who speak maliciously
against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander." (1
Peter 3:15-16)
"Good behavior in Christ." Now THAT, we'd all like to see.
Respectfully,
Keely Emerine Mix
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<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>Jeremy, et al,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>Your reply to Keely Emerinemix is a quite =
puzzling.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>First and of least importance, my posting of =
Doug=20
Jones private email to me was not a breach of =
confidentiality. For=20
there to be such a breach, there must be prior agreement between the=20
parties. I have never made such an agreement with Mr. Jones, =
although I=20
have with several other Christ Church persons on previous occasions =
and=20
have stood by that agreement.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>Second, please look up the words =
"parody","satire", and=20
"irony" in a decent dictionary. That knowledge might help you read =
much=20
better, understand life much better, and also help you understand the =
current=20
bad tempers at and near the top of the cult.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>Third, you make little of the casino =
affair. =20
However, felonies were committed, the statute of limitations has not =
expired,=20
and therefore, secular justice may still be exacted. [Watch this =
space for=20
further developments.]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>Fourth, and <STRONG>most important</STRONG>, =
and though=20
I am not a Christian, even as slow-witted old man as I can see that =
you=20
missed the main point of Ms. Emerinemix's remarks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>Ms. Emerinemix argues that the Cult =
Master and his=20
toadies are besmirching Christ and the Gospels by their untoward, very=20
unchristlike behavior. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>In your Vision 2020 posting, you completely =
failed to=20
address her argument.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>In fact, <STRONG>you underscored =
it</STRONG>. Your=20
description of Doug Jones as your elder did not include loving, =
kind,=20
patient, unselfish, forgiving -- the most essential virtues of =
Christ. =20
(Its too late now to recharacterize Jones. Your Freudian =
slip is most=20
revealing, not only of yourself but of Doug Jones and his colleagues =
running the=20
cult.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>Ms. Emerinemix's objectives as a =
Christian are=20
to perform acts that make the world a better, kinder, more=20
loving place to live. Those kinds of actions are far more =
likely to=20
influence sincere Christians and others than tyrannical ranting, =
egomaniacal=20
bible thumping, and blatant dishonesty. Her behavior is selfless, =
caring,=20
and, giving.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>Contrast Ms. Emerinemix's behavior that with =
Wilson,=20
Garfield, Atwood, Dickison, Jones (even as the self-depreciating toady =
that you=20
paint him as) -- controlling, dominating, selfish, empire building, =
sexist,=20
homophobic, intolerant to any that do not exactly share their world =
view,=20
blatantly dishonest and deceptive, fraudulently unscholarly, and<STRONG> =
devoid=20
of any sincere Christian agape</STRONG> -- and from my point of view, =
men with=20
serious mental health problems including delusions, delusions of =
grandeur,=20
castration complexes, and inferiority (to women) complexes to name just =
a=20
few.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>While I do not believe in the theology and =
supernatural=20
claims of Christianity, I do not reject many of practical parts of the =
ethics=20
that Jesus, Buddha, Plato, Hobbes, etc. taught. The actions of =
people are=20
of much more importance to me than their philosophical or religious=20
grounding. I believe this way because there are tens of =
thousands of=20
different gods worshiped, but no tested, reliable way to determine =
which, if=20
any, of these are real. This fact alone strongly argues against =
the=20
existence of an omni-benevolent, omnipotent being. Why would such=20
a so-described god leave humankind in such a theological and =
spiritual=20
quagmire?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>Back to the real issue:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>In simpler terms, my main point for all, =
including=20
Christians and other readers of the bible who can decide for themselves =
is:=20
<STRONG>Ms. Emerinemix is a far more Christ-like figure than any =
of the=20
above mentioned culties will ever be. </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>Further, it is doubtful that the =
above-mentioned=20
culties will ever be able to really understand the sentence =
just=20
above.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>Wayne Fox</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>__________________</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>From: Keely Emerinemix:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Lest Mr. Jones think that I'm picking on him, let me be quick to =
correct=20
him. "Picking on" would imply that I have an unreasonable, =
malicious basis=20
for offering the rebuke I am about to deliver -- as if, =
perhaps, he=20
were the new kid on the playground, the clumsy stock boy at work, or the =
dullard=20
holding up the line at Safeway. No, I'm afraid that I respond to =
Mr. Jones=20
the way one responds to a spiteful, sullen, and snotty teenager or a =
callous,=20
clueless, craven neighbor, both of whose behavior, come to think of it,=20
describes his remarkably well.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The prerogative of a sister in Christ is to tell her brother =
-- and=20
she is being hopeful and generous in her assessment here -- that he =
is=20
behaving badly, and that his continued breeziness in dragging the name =
of Christ=20
through the mud is not only causing immense harm to the Gospel and the =
Church on=20
the Palouse, but has eternal consequences that all of the art, poetry, =
stout=20
beer and classic literature in the world won't remedy. Concern for =
his=20
wellbeing, the wellbeing of those he dismisses so readily, and for =
the=20
testimony of Christ compels me, then, to suggest to Mr. Jones =
that while=20
acting like a bully might fulfill, if not utterly exhaust, his =
creative=20
yearnings, it has a terrible effect on one's spiritual life as =
well, as=20
evidenced in his response to Wayne Fox, below.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Mr. Jones says he's "quite happy" to have Wayne believe a whole =
hill of=20
lies. It appears that Wayne believes that certain Christ =
Church/NSA=20
young men and Christ Church staff were caught up in questionable =
behavior a=20
couple of years ago regarding the infamous casino. Fair enough; it =
seems a=20
reasonable conclusion given the evidence we have, and Doug Wilson's =
apparent=20
refusal to respond to Bill London's simple questions regarding the =
situation=20
doesn't help. But I wonder if Mr. Jones' glee over Wayne's =
casino=20
beliefs extends also to Wayne's entire belief system. Wayne has =
been=20
nothing but gracious to me, and if the ethic guiding his life is also "a =
whole=20
hill of lies," then I am grieved; I don't consider it "fun to watch," =
and I=20
don't consider any part of any wrong belief to be "an affordable=20
loss." Wonder why that is? And I wonder if I'm just =
hormonal,=20
immature, or sickeningly sentimental for caring what Wayne thinks of me =
-- for=20
allowing myself to be disliked because he perhaps disagrees with MY =
worldview,=20
but at the same condemning myself if he dislikes me for being rude, =
unloving,=20
haughty, or spiteful. And I can't help but wonder if my judging, =
or not,=20
that Wayne is "a person who loves life" matters one tiny bit at =
all. If=20
Wayne Fox is to be condemned by his creator, I would submit that it =
won't be on=20
the basis of how creative he is or how evident his zingy, robust love =
for life=20
is. The erudite Doug Jones should not need a homemaker with no =
theological=20
training to remind him of that, but she offers it nonetheless.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It's simple. Doug Jones is behaving in a most unchristian =
manner, and=20
as a Christian I am beyond heartsick about it. The Scriptures say=20
it best, perhaps: "Always be prepared to give an answer to =
everyone=20
who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have, but do this =
with=20
GENTLENESS and RESPECT, keeping a clear conscience so that those who =
speak=20
maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their =
slander." (1 Peter 3:15-16)<BR></DIV>
<DIV>"Good behavior in Christ." Now THAT, we'd all like to =
see.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Respectfully,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Keely Emerine Mix</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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