[Vision2020] Fw: Private [Says who]
keely emerinemix
kjajmix1@msn.com
Wed, 3 Mar 2004 15:44:22 -0800
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Your thoughtfully worded response is appreciated, Mr. Downey, and I am =
grateful for the irenic tone you've chosen. =20
I would, of course, find myself continuing to disagree with you on a =
number of points, as I imagine you might expect. I'm certain that it's =
difficult for you to read a pointed rebuke of an elder you obviously =
have great respect for, and I can only hope that you will fairly judge =
what I said in light of the public conduct in recent months of Mr. =
Jones, Rev. Wilson, and others you consider to be your elders. If I can =
ever be of service to you in that or any other endeavor, I hope you =
won't hesitate to get ahold of me. =20
I don't think you're kissing up and I certainly don't sense any =
hostility coming from you. Perhaps your elders might learn from your =
example.
keely emerine mix
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jeremy Downey=20
To: kjajmix1@msn.com ; vision2020@moscow.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Private [Says who]
Dear Ms. Mix,
Doubtless my coming to the defense of Mr. Jones will be interpreted in =
some quarters as a servile act of kissing-up, which I regret, but's =
there's really nothing I can do about it. Likewise it might be =
interpreted as an act of hostility or dismissal towards yourself, but =
this is simply not so. As I am a catholic (albeit a protestant =
catholic), I believe unity in the Spirit among the people of Christ's =
universal Church to be tremendously important. As you are united to me, =
along with all other believers, by that Spirit, the Holy Spirit of =
Christ, your rebuke bears more gravity than that of an unbeliever, for =
it is the rebuke of a sister. Now I know that your letter was addressed =
to Mr. Jones and not myself (you probably don't even know who I am), but =
as he is an Elder to whom I hold myself accountable, the federal nature =
of his position means that your rebuke to him trickles down to me and =
others like me, just as a rebuke to me or others under his care would =
partially reflect on him. This is the nature of living as a part of =
Christ's body: what affects the head affects the hands and feet, and =
vice versa.
That said, I think your rebuke, though honest and admirably having its =
origin in the heart rather than the liver, was mistaken. Certainly Mr. =
Jones is a sinner like any other, but in this instance I do not believe =
he is "behaving badly." I must admit that I cannot comment on the =
charges of "breeziness" and being a "bully," as I don't understand what =
they are in reference to, and honestly find them incongruous with my =
experience of Mr. Jones' character, as he is rather shy, introverted, =
self-deprecating, and usually quite serious.
But you seem more particularly displeased with his reply to Wayne =
Fox's email, and to that I would like to respond. First of all, you =
will note that the letter was not public until Mr. Fox chose to make it =
so, which confidentiality was not for Mr. Jones' sake, but for Mr. =
Fox's. It is my impression that this incident makes Mr. Fox look bad, =
not Mr. Jones. When Mr. Fox disputes those he disagrees with, he calls =
them whores, says that their daughters should become prostitutes, =
implies that they sodomize boys, crassly describes them performing =
perverted sexual acts, and ridicules them for not being "normal." Mr. =
Jones refuses to stoop to his level; rather, he dismisses him to his =
vicious fantasies, refuses to play his game, and then asks him if his =
frame of mind makes him happy. It is an honest question, with a =
specific intent: to try to get through to Mr. Fox that living with your =
mind in the gutter and your liver on your sleeve makes you miserable. =
Certainly there is a barb to the letter (no one on a tirade wants to be =
yawned at), but I hardly think this is unbiblical. Jesus said some far =
more scathing things to his critics, as did Paul.
It's kind of odd to have to say this, but don't believe everything you =
read on the internet. Even the stuff that's real (for instance the =
gambling incident, which is hardly the big hush-up the scandalmongers =
want it to be) can be spiced up with a combination of fiction and =
selective reporting. People love a scandal, and they particularly love =
one involving people they hate anyway. And recently people have not =
been beyond inventing scandals for their own amusement.
So just take things with a healthy dose of salt. Come talk to Mr. =
Jones, or some other member of Christ Church or Trinity Reformed Church. =
I can't guarantee that they will have all the answers, but they can =
help, and you will have the benefit of dealing face-to-face with a real, =
live person, rather than an abstract internet e-person. We're just =
ordinary Christians like you, and we're not trying to hide something. =
And we are certainly desirous of having good relations with the other =
Christian congregations in this community. After all, we're part of the =
same Body.
The Lord be with you,
Jeremy Downey
Ad ignem tractus, ab igne consumptus, ex igne renatus.
>From: "keely emerinemix" >To: "Art Deco aka W. Fox" >CC: , >Subject: =
Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Private [Says who] >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 22:10:50 =
-0800 > >Lest Mr. Jones think that I'm picking on him, let me be quick =
to correct him. "Picking on" would imply that I have an unreasonable, =
malicious basis for offering the rebuke I am about to deliver -- as if, =
perhaps, he were the new kid on the playground, the clumsy stock boy at =
work, or the dullard holding up the line at Safeway. No, I'm afraid that =
I respond to Mr. Jones the way one responds to a spiteful, sullen, and =
snotty teenager or a callous, clueless, craven neighbor, both of whose =
behavior, come to think of it, describes his remarkably well. > >The =
prerogative of a sister in Christ is to tell her brother -- and she is =
being hopeful and generous in her assessment here -- that he is behaving =
badly, and that his continued breeziness in dragging the name of Christ =
through the mud is not only causing immense harm to the Gospel and the =
Church on the Palouse, but has eternal consequences that all of the art, =
poetry, stout beer and classic literature in the world won't remedy. =
Concern for his wellbeing, the wellbeing of those he dismisses so =
readily, and for the testimony of Christ compels me, then, to suggest to =
Mr. Jones that while acting like a bully might fulfill, if not utterly =
exhaust, his creative yearnings, it has a terrible effect on one's =
spiritual life as well, as evidenced in his response to Wayne Fox, =
below. > >Mr. Jones says he's "quite happy" to have Wayne believe a =
whole hill of lies. It appears that Wayne believes that certain Christ =
Church/NSA young men and Christ Church staff were caught up in =
questionable behavior a couple of years ago regarding the infamous =
casino. Fair enough; it seems a reasonable conclusion given the evidence =
we have, and Doug Wilson's apparent refusal to respond to Bill London's =
simple questions regarding the situation doesn't help. But I wonder if =
Mr. Jones' glee over Wayne's casino beliefs extends also to Wayne's =
entire belief system. Wayne has been nothing but gracious to me, and if =
the ethic guiding his life is also "a whole hill of lies," then I am =
grieved; I don't consider it "fun to watch," and I don't consider any =
part of any wrong belief to be "an affordable loss." Wonder why that is? =
And I wonder if I'm just hormonal, immature, or sickeningly sentimental =
for caring what Wayne thinks of me -- for allowing myself to be disliked =
because he perhaps disagrees with MY worldview, but at the same =
condemning myself if he dislikes me for being rude, unloving, haughty, =
or spiteful. And I can't help but wonder if my judging, or not, that =
Wayne is "a person who loves life" matters one tiny bit at all. If Wayne =
Fox is to be condemned by his creator, I would submit that it won't be =
on the basis of how creative he is or how evident his zingy, robust love =
for life is. The erudite Doug Jones should not need a homemaker with no =
theological training to remind him of that, but she offers it =
nonetheless. > >It's simple. Doug Jones is behaving in a most =
unChristian manner, and as a Christian I am beyond heartsick about it. =
The Scriptures say it best, perhaps: "Always be prepared to give an =
answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you =
have, but do this with GENTLENESS and RESPECT, keeping a clear =
conscience so that those who speak maliciously against your good =
behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander." (1 Peter 3:15-16) > =
>"Good behavior in Christ." Now THAT, we'd all like to see. > =
>Respectfully, > >Keely Emerine Mix > > > > ----- Original Message ----- =
> From: Art Deco aka W. Fox > To: vision2020@moscow.com > Sent: Tuesday, =
March 02, 2004 1:52 PM > Subject: [Vision2020] Fw: Private [Says who] > =
> > Private uninformative, insulting emails from Vision 2020 queries =
readings will always be posted -- cowardice to deal in the marketplace =
of ideas is not a pretty site. > > I think that we can conclude that =
Doug Jones lied about the public meeting on the casino. > > It is also =
appears that Logos is ashamed or embarrassed about the contents of the =
course "Biblical Femininity" > > If the below is an example of what to =
expect from the cult in response to a simple request for facts, it =
appears that Rose's castrating wit has claimed more victims then first =
thought. > > Wayne Fox > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug =
Jones" > To: "'Art Deco aka W. Fox'" > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 =
10:37 AM > Subject: Private > > > > Wayne, > > > > Can you remind me =
again, Wayne, why I should take time to care what you > > think? I'm =
quite happy to let you believe a whole hill of lies; it's fun > > to =
watch and an affordable loss. Don't listen to anything cultists like > > =
me say, Wayne; we'll only lead you astray. > > > > I responded to =
Saundra privately. > > > > Are you leading the good life yet, Wayne? If =
I saw you on the street > > would I think "there goes a person who loves =
life?" Do you do anything > > creative? > > > > Doug Jones > > > > > > > =
> > -----Original Message----- > > > From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com =
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] > > On > > > Behalf Of Art Deco aka =
W. Fox > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 12:58 PM > > > To: =
vision2020@moscow.com > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] dougsplotch.net > =
> > > > > Doug Jones, et al, > > > > > > I know that I am slow-witted =
and semi-senile. However, I don't > > remember > > > your posting an =
answer to Saundra Lund's questions below. > > > > > > Even worse, I =
don't remember the public meeting on the Casino issue at > > all. > > > =
Neither does the LMT. A search of their archives under many different > =
> > keywords returns no article mentioning a public meeting on this =
issue. > > Of > > > course, all my friends are slow-witted wastrels =
also, but none of them > > can > > > remember such a meeting either. > > =
> > > > Perhaps, you would be so kind to jog our rotting memories with =
the > > date of > > > and the general comments made at such meeting. > > =
> > > > Perhaps, you would also be so gracious so as to respond to the V =
2020 > > query > > > yesterday about the "Biblical Femininity" course =
taught at Logos > > School. > > > There's nothing too graphic or =
esoteric about it to be ashamed of is > > there? > > > > > > > > > Thank =
you. > > > > > > Wayne Fox > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message =
----- > > > From: "Saundra Lund" > > > To: "'Doug Jones'" ; "'Vision =
20/20'" > > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 2:46 PM > > > =
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] dougsplotch.net > > > > > > > > > > Doug Jones =
wrote: > > > > "Now I'm taking my winnings and heading for a night out =
at the Red > > Door." > > > > > > > > Hopefully, this will catch you =
before you head out. I asked the > > following > > > > questions =
yesterday in response to your post and am still awaiting > > > answers: =
> > > > > > > > Doug Jones wrote: > > > > "We openly explained our =
decision in a public meeting almost a year > > ago . > > > . > > > > . " =
> > > > > > > > Well, that's a public meeting I somehow unfortunately =
missed. Can > > you > > > > provide more information about this public =
meeting? When & where > > was it > > > > held and how was it publicized? =
Did any news reporters attend? I > > don't > > > > recall reading/seeing =
any coverage of the meeting, which I find > > somewhat > > > > =
surprising given the subject matter and number of press at the more > > =
recent > > > > so-called "Town Hall meeting". I was out-of-state a fair =
amount in > > 2003, > > > > but I read the newspapers after each trip =
and just don't recall > > reading > > > > anything about this, so I'd =
appreciate more information about Christ > > > > Church's actions =
regarding this horrendous organized wickedness. > > > > > > > > Doug =
Jones also wrote: > > > > ". . . and we posted that explanation for =
months." > > > > > > > > Yes, I notice Christ Church's explanation of =
the illegal activities > > and > > > the > > > > Church's active role in =
the aftermath are now gone, which really is > > too > > > bad > > > > =
for those of us interested in truth. After looking at > > > =
www.dougsplotch.net, > > > > I wanted to compare/contrast the info there =
to what I'd read on the > > Christ > > > > Church site, but the links =
for those specific "Bizarre Charges" > > ("Theft, > > > > Tyranny, =
Cover-up, Violence, and Other "Irremediable Wickedness > > Against > > > =
the > > > > Lord Jesus Christ.") seem to be broken. I thought perhaps =
the > > Christ > > > Church > > > > web site was having difficulties =
(perhaps because so many of the > > minions > > > > have been busy with =
their Hate Splotch), but am I correctly > > understanding > > > > now =
that Christ Church's official explanation has now been > > permanently > =
> > > removed? If so, what a pity. > > > > > > > > Doug Jones further =
wrote: > > > > "One pastor who was part of a denominational group =
reviewing our > > handling > > > of > > > > this situation said it was a =
brilliant solution." > > > > > > > > And, what denominational group was =
that? Surely you're not > > referencing > > > > Wilson's CRE =
(Confederation of Reformed Evangelicals)? If so, then > > isn't > > > > =
saying "One pastor who was part of a denominational group reviewing > > =
our > > > > handling of this situation said it was a brilliant =
solution," akin > > to > > > having > > > > the fox watch the hen =
house??? If not, why not? > > > > > > > > Saundra Lund > > > > Moscow, =
ID > > > > > > > > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is =
for good people > > to do > > > > nothing. > > > > -Edmund Burke > > > > =
> > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: =
vision2020-admin@moscow.com > > [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] > > =
> On > > > > Behalf Of Doug Jones > > > > Sent: Friday, February 27, =
2004 10:35 AM > > > > To: 'Vision 20/20' > > > > Subject: RE: =
[Vision2020] dougsplotch.net > > > > > > > > > > > > Some anonymous =
person writing about shame and integrity wrote: > > > > > > > > > A =
kirker in good standing recently told me, "Doug Jones is going > > > > =
straight to > > > > > hell." He went on to describe Jones as the =
"Wormtongue" of Christ > > > > Church. > > > > > This kirker is not =
alone. A local pastor calls Doug Jones the > > Joseph > > > > > Goebbels =
of Christ Church > > > > > > > > Woohoo! I won! I won! Hell, Wormtongue =
AND Goebbels! I finally won > > the > > > > office pool! It's taken a =
long time, but I'm glad to be on top. Now > > I'm > > > > taking my =
winnings and heading for a night out at the Red Door. > > > > > > > > =
Doug Jones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =
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<DIV>Your thoughtfully worded response is appreciated, Mr. Downey, and I =
am=20
grateful for the irenic tone you've chosen. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I would, of course, find myself continuing to disagree with you on =
a number=20
of points, as I imagine you might expect. I'm certain that it's =
difficult=20
for you to read a pointed rebuke of an elder you obviously have great =
respect=20
for, and I can only hope that you will fairly judge what I said in light =
of the=20
public conduct in recent months of Mr. Jones, Rev. Wilson, and others =
you=20
consider to be your elders. If I can ever be of service to you in =
that or=20
any other endeavor, I hope you won't hesitate to get ahold of me. =
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I don't think you're kissing up and I certainly don't sense any =
hostility=20
coming from you. Perhaps your elders might learn from your =
example.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>keely emerine mix</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:dunadhaigh@hotmail.com">Jeremy Downey</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 03, 2004 =
3:02=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: =
Private=20
[Says who]</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><BR><BR></P>
<DIV>
<P><BR><BR></P>
<DIV>
<P>Dear Ms. Mix,</P>
<P>Doubtless my coming to the defense of Mr. Jones will be interpreted =
in some=20
quarters as a servile act of kissing-up, which I regret, but's there's =
really=20
nothing I can do about it. Likewise it might be interpreted as =
an act of=20
hostility or dismissal towards yourself, but this is simply not =
so. As I=20
am a catholic (albeit a protestant catholic), I believe unity in the =
Spirit=20
among the people of Christ's universal Church to be tremendously=20
important. As you are united to me, along with all other =
believers, by=20
that Spirit, the Holy Spirit of Christ, your rebuke bears more gravity =
than=20
that of an unbeliever, for it is the rebuke of a sister. Now I =
know that=20
your letter was addressed to Mr. Jones and not myself (you probably =
don't even=20
know who I am), but as he is an Elder to whom I hold myself =
accountable, the=20
federal nature of his position means that your rebuke to him trickles =
down to=20
me and others like me, just as a rebuke to me or others under his care =
would=20
partially reflect on him. This is the nature of living as a part =
of=20
Christ's body: what affects the head affects the hands and feet, and =
vice=20
versa.<BR><BR>That said, I think your rebuke, though honest and =
admirably=20
having its origin in the heart rather than the liver, was =
mistaken. =20
Certainly Mr. Jones is a sinner like any other, but in this instance I =
do not=20
believe he is "behaving badly." I must admit that I cannot =
comment on=20
the charges of "breeziness" and being a "bully," as I don't understand =
what=20
they are in reference to, and honestly find them incongruous with my=20
experience of Mr. Jones' character, as he is rather shy, introverted,=20
self-deprecating, and usually quite serious.</P>
<P>But you seem more particularly displeased with his reply to Wayne =
Fox's=20
email, and to that I would like to respond. First of all, you =
will note=20
that the letter was not public until Mr. Fox chose to make it so, =
which=20
confidentiality was not for Mr. Jones' sake, but for Mr. Fox's. =
It is my=20
impression that this incident makes Mr. Fox look bad, not Mr. =
Jones. =20
When Mr. Fox disputes those he disagrees with, he calls them whores, =
says that=20
their daughters should become prostitutes, implies that they sodomize =
boys,=20
crassly describes them performing perverted sexual acts, and ridicules =
them=20
for not being "normal." Mr. Jones refuses to stoop to his level; =
rather,=20
he dismisses him to his vicious fantasies, refuses to play his game, =
and then=20
asks him if his frame of mind makes him happy. It is an honest =
question,=20
with a specific intent: to try to get through to Mr. Fox that living =
with your=20
mind in the gutter and your liver on your sleeve makes you =
miserable. =20
Certainly there is a barb to the letter (no one on a tirade wants to =
be yawned=20
at), but I hardly think this is unbiblical. Jesus said some far =
more=20
scathing things to his critics, as did Paul.</P>
<P>It's kind of odd to have to say this, but don't believe everything =
you read=20
on the internet. Even the stuff that's real (for instance the =
gambling=20
incident, which is hardly the big hush-up the scandalmongers want it =
to be)=20
can be spiced up with a combination of fiction and selective =
reporting. =20
People love a scandal, and they particularly love one involving people =
they=20
hate anyway. And recently people have not been beyond inventing =
scandals=20
for their own amusement.</P>
<P>So just take things with a healthy dose of salt. Come talk to =
Mr.=20
Jones, or some other member of Christ Church or Trinity Reformed =
Church. =20
I can't guarantee that they will have all the answers, but they can =
help, and=20
you will have the benefit of dealing face-to-face with a real, live =
person,=20
rather than an abstract internet e-person. We're just ordinary=20
Christians like you, and we're not trying to hide something. And =
we are=20
certainly desirous of having good relations with the other Christian=20
congregations in this community. After all, we're part of the =
same=20
Body.</P><BR><BR>The Lord be with you,<BR>
<DIV>Jeremy Downey</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ad ignem tractus, ab igne consumptus, ex igne renatus.</DIV>
<P>>From: "keely emerinemix" <KJAJMIX1@MSN.COM>>To: "Art Deco =
aka W.=20
Fox" <DECO@MOSCOW.COM>>CC: <CREDENDA@MOSCOW.COM>,=20
<VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Private [Says =
who]=20
>Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 22:10:50 -0800 > >Lest Mr. Jones think =
that=20
I'm picking on him, let me be quick to correct him. "Picking on" would =
imply=20
that I have an unreasonable, malicious basis for offering the rebuke I =
am=20
about to deliver -- as if, perhaps, he were the new kid on the =
playground, the=20
clumsy stock boy at work, or the dullard holding up the line at =
Safeway. No,=20
I'm afraid that I respond to Mr. Jones the way one responds to a =
spiteful,=20
sullen, and snotty teenager or a callous, clueless, craven neighbor, =
both of=20
whose behavior, come to think of it, describes his remarkably well. =
>=20
>The prerogative of a sister in Christ is to tell her brother -- =
and she is=20
being hopeful and generous in her assessment here -- that he is =
behaving=20
badly, and that his continued breeziness in dragging the name of =
Christ=20
through the mud is not only causing immense harm to the Gospel and the =
Church=20
on the Palouse, but has eternal consequences that all of the art, =
poetry,=20
stout beer and classic literature in the world won't remedy. Concern =
for his=20
wellbeing, the wellbeing of those he dismisses so readily, and for the =
testimony of Christ compels me, then, to suggest to Mr. Jones that =
while=20
acting like a bully might fulfill, if not utterly exhaust, his =
creative=20
yearnings, it has a terrible effect on one's spiritual life as well, =
as=20
evidenced in his response to Wayne Fox, below. > >Mr. Jones says =
he's=20
"quite happy" to have Wayne believe a whole hill of lies. It appears =
that=20
Wayne believes that certain Christ Church/NSA young men and Christ =
Church=20
staff were caught up in questionable behavior a couple of years ago =
regarding=20
the infamous casino. Fair enough; it seems a reasonable conclusion =
given the=20
evidence we have, and Doug Wilson's apparent refusal to respond to =
Bill=20
London's simple questions regarding the situation doesn't help. But I =
wonder=20
if Mr. Jones' glee over Wayne's casino beliefs extends also to Wayne's =
entire=20
belief system. Wayne has been nothing but gracious to me, and if the =
ethic=20
guiding his life is also "a whole hill of lies," then I am grieved; I =
don't=20
consider it "fun to watch," and I don't consider any part of any wrong =
belief=20
to be "an affordable loss." Wonder why that is? And I wonder if I'm =
just=20
hormonal, immature, or sickeningly sentimental for caring what Wayne =
thinks of=20
me -- for allowing myself to be disliked because he perhaps disagrees =
with MY=20
worldview, but at the same condemning myself if he dislikes me for =
being rude,=20
unloving, haughty, or spiteful. And I can't help but wonder if my =
judging, or=20
not, that Wayne is "a person who loves life" matters one tiny bit at =
all. If=20
Wayne Fox is to be condemned by his creator, I would submit that it =
won't be=20
on the basis of how creative he is or how evident his zingy, robust =
love for=20
life is. The erudite Doug Jones should not need a homemaker with no=20
theological training to remind him of that, but she offers it =
nonetheless.=20
> >It's simple. Doug Jones is behaving in a most unChristian =
manner, and=20
as a Christian I am beyond heartsick about it. The Scriptures say it =
best,=20
perhaps: "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks =
you to=20
give the reason for the hope that you have, but do this with =
GENTLENESS and=20
RESPECT, keeping a clear conscience so that those who speak =
maliciously=20
against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander." =
(1=20
Peter 3:15-16) > >"Good behavior in Christ." Now THAT, we'd all =
like to=20
see. > >Respectfully, > >Keely Emerine Mix > > > =
>=20
----- Original Message ----- > From: Art Deco aka W. Fox > To:=20
vision2020@moscow.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 1:52 PM > =
Subject:=20
[Vision2020] Fw: Private [Says who] > > > Private =
uninformative,=20
insulting emails from Vision 2020 queries readings will always be =
posted --=20
cowardice to deal in the marketplace of ideas is not a pretty site. =
> >=20
I think that we can conclude that Doug Jones lied about the public =
meeting on=20
the casino. > > It is also appears that Logos is ashamed or =
embarrassed=20
about the contents of the course "Biblical Femininity" > > If =
the below=20
is an example of what to expect from the cult in response to a simple =
request=20
for facts, it appears that Rose's castrating wit has claimed more =
victims then=20
first thought. > > Wayne Fox > > > ----- Original =
Message -----=20
> From: "Doug Jones" <CREDENDA@MOSCOW.COM>> To: "'Art Deco aka =
W. Fox'"=20
<DECO@MOSCOW.COM>> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:37 AM > =
Subject:=20
Private > > > > Wayne, > > > > Can you remind =
me=20
again, Wayne, why I should take time to care what you > > think? =
I'm=20
quite happy to let you believe a whole hill of lies; it's fun > =
> to=20
watch and an affordable loss. Don't listen to anything cultists like =
> >=20
me say, Wayne; we'll only lead you astray. > > > > I =
responded to=20
Saundra privately. > > > > Are you leading the good life =
yet,=20
Wayne? If I saw you on the street > > would I think "there goes =
a person=20
who loves life?" Do you do anything > > creative? > > > =
>=20
Doug Jones > > > > > > > > > -----Original=20
Message----- > > > From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com=20
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] > > On > > > =
Behalf Of Art=20
Deco aka W. Fox > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 12:58 PM =
>=20
> > To: vision2020@moscow.com > > > Subject: Re: =
[Vision2020]=20
dougsplotch.net > > > > > > Doug Jones, et al, > =
>=20
> > > > I know that I am slow-witted and semi-senile. =
However, I=20
don't > > remember > > > your posting an answer to =
Saundra=20
Lund's questions below. > > > > > > Even worse, I =
don't=20
remember the public meeting on the Casino issue at > > all. > =
>=20
> Neither does the LMT. A search of their archives under many =
different=20
> > > keywords returns no article mentioning a public meeting =
on this=20
issue. > > Of > > > course, all my friends are =
slow-witted=20
wastrels also, but none of them > > can > > > remember =
such a=20
meeting either. > > > > > > Perhaps, you would be so =
kind to=20
jog our rotting memories with the > > date of > > > and =
the=20
general comments made at such meeting. > > > > > > =
Perhaps,=20
you would also be so gracious so as to respond to the V 2020 > > =
query=20
> > > yesterday about the "Biblical Femininity" course taught =
at=20
Logos > > School. > > > There's nothing too graphic or =
esoteric=20
about it to be ashamed of is > > there? > > > > > =
>=20
> > > Thank you. > > > > > > Wayne Fox > =
>=20
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > =
> >=20
From: "Saundra Lund" <SSLUND@ADELPHIA.NET>> > > To: "'Doug =
Jones'"=20
<CREDENDA@MOSCOW.COM>; "'Vision 20/20'" > > >=20
<VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM>> > > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 =
2:46 PM=20
> > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] dougsplotch.net > > =
> >=20
> > > > > > Doug Jones wrote: > > > > =
"Now I'm=20
taking my winnings and heading for a night out at the Red > > =
Door."=20
> > > > > > > > Hopefully, this will catch you =
before=20
you head out. I asked the > > following > > > > =
questions=20
yesterday in response to your post and am still awaiting > > =
>=20
answers: > > > > > > > > Doug Jones wrote: =
> >=20
> > "We openly explained our decision in a public meeting almost =
a year=20
> > ago . > > > . > > > > . " > > =
> >=20
> > > > Well, that's a public meeting I somehow =
unfortunately=20
missed. Can > > you > > > > provide more information =
about=20
this public meeting? When & where > > was it > > > =
>=20
held and how was it publicized? Did any news reporters attend? I > =
>=20
don't > > > > recall reading/seeing any coverage of the =
meeting,=20
which I find > > somewhat > > > > surprising given =
the=20
subject matter and number of press at the more > > recent > =
> >=20
> so-called "Town Hall meeting". I was out-of-state a fair amount =
in >=20
> 2003, > > > > but I read the newspapers after each =
trip and=20
just don't recall > > reading > > > > anything about =
this,=20
so I'd appreciate more information about Christ > > > > =
Church's=20
actions regarding this horrendous organized wickedness. > > > =
>=20
> > > > Doug Jones also wrote: > > > > ". . . =
and we=20
posted that explanation for months." > > > > > > =
> >=20
Yes, I notice Christ Church's explanation of the illegal activities =
> >=20
and > > > the > > > > Church's active role in the =
aftermath are now gone, which really is > > too > > > =
bad >=20
> > > for those of us interested in truth. After looking at =
> >=20
> www.dougsplotch.net, > > > > I wanted to =
compare/contrast the=20
info there to what I'd read on the > > Christ > > > =
> Church=20
site, but the links for those specific "Bizarre Charges" > > =
("Theft,=20
> > > > Tyranny, Cover-up, Violence, and Other =
"Irremediable=20
Wickedness > > Against > > > the > > > > =
Lord Jesus=20
Christ.") seem to be broken. I thought perhaps the > > Christ =
> >=20
> Church > > > > web site was having difficulties =
(perhaps=20
because so many of the > > minions > > > > have been =
busy=20
with their Hate Splotch), but am I correctly > > understanding =
> >=20
> > now that Christ Church's official explanation has now been =
> >=20
permanently > > > > removed? If so, what a pity. > > =
>=20
> > > > > Doug Jones further wrote: > > > > =
"One=20
pastor who was part of a denominational group reviewing our > > =
handling=20
> > > of > > > > this situation said it was a =
brilliant=20
solution." > > > > > > > > And, what =
denominational=20
group was that? Surely you're not > > referencing > > > =
>=20
Wilson's CRE (Confederation of Reformed Evangelicals)? If so, then =
> >=20
isn't > > > > saying "One pastor who was part of a =
denominational=20
group reviewing > > our > > > > handling of this =
situation=20
said it was a brilliant solution," akin > > to > > > =
having=20
> > > > the fox watch the hen house??? If not, why not? =
> >=20
> > > > > > Saundra Lund > > > > Moscow, =
ID >=20
> > > > > > > The only thing necessary for the =
triumph of=20
evil is for good people > > to do > > > > nothing. =
> >=20
> > -Edmund Burke > > > > > > > > =
-----Original=20
Message----- > > > > From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com =
> >=20
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] > > > On > > > =
>=20
Behalf Of Doug Jones > > > > Sent: Friday, February 27, =
2004 10:35=20
AM > > > > To: 'Vision 20/20' > > > > Subject: =
RE:=20
[Vision2020] dougsplotch.net > > > > > > > > =
> >=20
> > Some anonymous person writing about shame and integrity =
wrote: >=20
> > > > > > > > A kirker in good standing =
recently=20
told me, "Doug Jones is going > > > > straight to > =
> >=20
> > hell." He went on to describe Jones as the "Wormtongue" of =
Christ=20
> > > > Church. > > > > > This kirker is =
not alone.=20
A local pastor calls Doug Jones the > > Joseph > > > =
> >=20
Goebbels of Christ Church > > > > > > > > =
Woohoo! I=20
won! I won! Hell, Wormtongue AND Goebbels! I finally won > > the =
>=20
> > > office pool! It's taken a long time, but I'm glad to be =
on top.=20
Now > > I'm > > > > taking my winnings and heading =
for a=20
night out at the Red Door. > > > > > > > > =
Doug Jones=20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > =
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