[Spam] RE: [Spam] [Vision2020] Breaking News: Bush sending us to war (again) in Haiti

[matt@moscowland.com]

Thank you sir.

> Matt -
> 
> You and I may not agree on alot of things.  But on this topic we most
> certainly do.
> 
> In memory.
> 
> Pro patria,
> 
> Tom Hansen
> SFC, US Army (Retired)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
> > Behalf Of matt@moscowland.com
> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:36 PM
> > To: vision2020@moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] Breaking News: Bush sending us to war
> > (again) in Haiti
> >
> >
> > now ther yuo goe agane putin wordses in mi moufh. I nevr sade
> > Sodom had WDM in them boots. Only thet I seed 'em.
> >
> > Just so you know, The U.N. works that way, when we say it works
> > that way. And yes Carter had that power. As do all who hold the
> > office of President.
> > I am glad you look to the future, we need people who do. But let
> > us not forget the past, lest we repeat it.  As for peace
> > keepers/peacekeepers, I am surprised you forgot to mention the missle.
> >
> > As for individual choice, yes of course we all, you, me, my son
> > are all free to make that choice and by indicating that I would
> > send him, I am expressing my conviction not to prevent him from
> > serving his country. Not to live in the past or anything, but
> > remeber that Rome fell when Romans no longer populated the
> > Officer corp or the ranks.
> >
> > You say that you can not possibly know what is goining on inside
> > the Presidents. I thank you for your honesty. You proved my point
> > well. Based on your admission you should not call him a lier.
> >
> > By your kind I mean so very much. I think I could sum it up by
> > saying so very little.
> > I would expect you to attempt to legislate morality, dictate the
> > thoughts of others, surrender your will to those who say what you
> > want to hear, only express the popular view(even when its out of
> > style) and to above all, not learn from the past.
> >
> > Actually I must admit that I very much enjoyed your response. I
> > have not been this excited since Bush invaded Hati, oh wait that
> > was really just a humanitarian mission to help the innocents, or
> > havent you seen the pics from the island. Would you have
> > complained if we had done nothing?
> >
> > I have said and will say again I respect your right to be wrong.
> > I need to say something seriously though.
> >
> > You indicated that all who die in wars die for nothing. This
> > truely offends me. Maybe you should ask the families of the men
> > who died on Normandy, Gaudel canal, Bastone, manchuria, The
> > Phillipines, North Africa, Inchone, Iwo Jima, Bunker Hill,
> > Gettiesburg, Kuwaite, Boonesboro, Midway, The Magino line,
> > Waitsburg, Pearl Harbor, The Alamo and all the other countless
> > battles where men gave their lives for the good of other men.
> > Instead of asking thier families, maybe you should ask the
> > families of those they saved, the MILLIONS that live under thier
> > own will because of the sacrifces of those brave men.
> >
> > I am sure you have seen the bumper sticker "If you can read this
> > thank a teacher." its missing the second part.
> > "If you can read this in english, thank a Vet."
> >
> > I agree that an avoidable war is an atrocity, but please do not
> > dishoner the memories of those who gave the ultimate sacrifice
> > and won and preserved YOUR freedom.
> >
> > > In a message dated 2/29/2004 8:20:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > matt@moscowland.com writes:
> > > Thanks for replying line by line. It allows for a quicker discourse.
> > > The loan on my son will be due when all nations are of free men.
> > > Lets play a game. I quote and you identify.
> > >
> > > "No man is truely free until he fights for the freedom of another man."
> > >
> > > Humm, well, I am familiar with The Greek dramatist Euripides
> > who coined the
> > > phrase "No man is truly free." in a play he wrote in the 5th
> > Century BC. Others
> > > have added onto it since that time, John Locke, Thomas
> > Jefferson, Fredrick
> > > Douglas, Abraham Lincoln, and many others:
> > >
> > > "No Man is truly free who is in financial bondage."
> > > "No man was free, but he who exercised himself in the
> > meditation of the law."
> > >  "No man is truly free whose thoughts, feelings and actions are
> > dependent
> > > upon another man's thoughts, feelings and actions. ... "
> > >
> > >
> > > "As much as we disagree we do have one thing in common. The
> > right to. And I
> > > promise that I would fight to preserve your right to be wrong,
> > and if nessasary
> > > send my son to do the same.
> > > I would not be supprised if you didnt receive amnisty from
> > President Carter."
> > > I would be surprised if he pardoned. Carter doesn't have that
> > authority. You
> > > are still living in the past. I go to bed and dream of a better
> > day in the
> > > morning. You wake up and hope it was yesterday.
> > > I would fight for the Freedom of all Men. But fighting doesn't
> > make it a war
> > > about freedom. Nor does the President saying it is about
> > freedom make it about
> > > freedom. Most people that die in war, die for absolutely no
> > reason other than
> > > people in power getting more land or money. In terms of sending
> > a relative in
> > > my care to war, I would let them make that choice.
> > >
> > >
> > > Republicans have always been willing to attach our troops to UN
> > operations,
> > > as long as we are in charge of them.
> > > That is not the way the UN works.
> > >
> > >
> > > You claim without hesitation that the President has lied. I
> > challenge you to
> > > prove beyond reasonable doubt, one single lie that the
> > President has told.
> > > Please understand that in order to be a lie, the person telling
> > it must know its
> > > a lie when they say it. Those are the rules. Ready GO!
> > > I am supposed to prove to you what is going on in the head of
> > President? Gee,
> > > what realistic terms. Now how do you suppose I prove what is
> > going on in the
> > > head of the President? I cannot. I can easily prove that what
> > the President
> > > said and fact are not consistent on many occasions. Watch the
> > 2003 State of the
> > > Union Address.
> > >
> > >
> > > "( and you can't use the one about Saddam's ships off the coast
> > of America
> > > cause I saw them)"
> > >
> > > WOO HO HO! You saw the Iraqi Navy carrying WMDs off the coast
> > the United
> > > States and didn't say anything to the US Navy? Man, you should
> > call up Bush now
> > > and let him know. He has been in some hot water lately for not
> > being able to
> > > find them WMDs. And here you are, all knowing, having seen them
> > all the way out
> > > there, from Idaho too. What powerful binoculars you got handy.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes I do have the word Peace in my vocabulary dork. I was using "piece
> > > keeping" as a pun (thats a play on words) (please refer to the
> > quotations) the
> > > Balkans and Somalia were and still are today "splintered
> > factions", give it some
> > > time, you'll get it........probebly.
> > > Oh, sorry, I thought you just misspelled it, kind of like you
> > did at first
> > > with Balkans, you spelled "Balkins", and "Probebly", is spelled
> > "Probably", and
> > > Truly you spelled "Truely", and "realitivly" is wrong, oh yeah
> > and "ment" is
> > > spelled meant. So I just though maybe you didn't know how to
> > use the English
> > > language. Lord knows I cannot spell. But I do use the spell checker and
> > > proofread at least once.
> > > Now did you mean "Peace Keepers" or "peacekeepers"? They are
> > two different
> > > things. One is the use of soldiers that fight, and one is the use of
> > > administrators that perform preventive war administrative
> > functions. I hope you weren't
> > > making a pun at the fun of our soldiers.
> > >
> > >
> > > You are right, .... sorry I ment not completly wrong, I can not
> > defend the
> > > President by sighting previous Presidents short comings. I did
> > not mean to imply
> > > that you defended President Clinton, just that I am realitivly
> > sure you sat
> > > back and said nothing.
> > > Nope, I said many things. I said things like, "Why are spending
> > millions on
> > > investigating the sex life of the President?"
> > >
> > >
> > > I am sure that what ever medals President Bush was awarded
> > during his service
> > > he has kept. I am unaware of any decorations he recieved. Most
> > "men" would
> > > not feel a need to list them. As for the flight suit. I am sure
> > he got a new
> > > one. After all he is the President now.
> > > I don't see why be needed a new one, his first one never even
> > got dirty. Or
> > > maybe it did get a keg or two spilled on it.
> > >
> > >
> > > P.S. I really don't know when or even if you ever cryed wolf. I
> > just ment
> > > "your kind".
> > >
> > > What precisely is my "kind"? Do you mean educated, white, Christian,
> > > thinking, males, that care about their country and fellow
> > humans? I understood that to
> > > be my kind. But maybe you can clarify.
> > >
> > > Respectfully,
> > >
> > > Donovan J Arnold
> > >
> > > PS Cried is spelled "cried", not "cryed". Please use your Spell
> > Check option.
> > >
> >
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