[Vision2020] Tim's feminism

[amy smoucha]

Tim, though I'm sure this is a tired thread by now, I have to jump in.  
Feminist-minded Democrats condemned Clinton, but not because of his sexual 
behavior or his womanizing.  Clinted deserved criticism from women because 
he signed a welfare reform bill that punished women and children, forced 
them to work for low wages (often less than minimum wage as in New York's 
workfare programs), all without adequate funding for childcare, education 
and healthcare.  Feminists were also outraged because he signed DOMA.  
Clinton and Gore did enough to piss off the women who voted for them, but we 
care about more important issues than a president's sex life or whether he 
calls someone Babe.

As for lying--it is despicable that he lied, but the national discussion of 
his sex life was such an affront--another kind of cheating, and you know it. 
  Politicians throughout this nation's history have been womanizers, have 
cheated with their interns.  They drink, smoke and have a lot of sex.  The 
right-wing attack on Bill Clinton was a paparazzo-like attempt to make 
national politics more like the Jerry Springer show.  And they spent 
millions of tax-payer dollars to create the spectacle.

If a leader should impeached for lying, we better start the process for Bush 
right now--he's told serious lies that have killed thousands of people.  He 
lied about WMDs in Iraq, about Hussain trying to buy uranium from Africa, 
about our economy improving and about jobs being created during his 
administration, about the No Child Left Behind Act working.

The Guerilla Girls have a great new poster showing that Bush is one of the 
worst threats to our national security  
http://www.guerrillagirls.com/posters/womensterroralert.shtml  .  I hope 
this time next year we are inaugurating another flawed Democrat to replace 
this scary Republican.  I want to send Bush and Cheney life-sized pink slips 
on behalf of the thousands of workers who have lost jobs since they've been 
in office.  I'd also like to draft them and stick them in Baghdad.  I can 
dream, can't I?

Amy Smoucha


----Original Message Follows----
From: Tim Lohrmann <timlohr@yahoo.com>
To: Aldoussoma@aol.com
CC: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Separate V2020 Lists?
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:42:19 -0800 (PST)

Ted,
     I don't get it. I think it's ridiculuous for supposedly feminist minded 
Democrats to defend Clinton's actions--so because of that I'm supposed to 
defend Bush?
     Why?
     Are your political views so simplistic that a person who doesn't 
approve of a Democrat party president's actions must automatically be 
enamored of any GOP'er president?
    Or were you just upset that no one responded to your post?
     By the way, your argument about "cause a scholar said so" is 
ridiculous.
     Just like courtroom "experts," you can find numerous scholars on almost 
any side of any issue.
      Best, TL

Aldoussoma@aol.com wrote:

Carl, Tim, et. al.

I posted to V2020 that Bush telling the nation lies to scare us into a war 
was worse than Clinton's lies about his sex life, yet not a peep out of Tim 
or just about anyone else that I recall on V2020.

Tim, I'd gladly accept replacing some of the "Wilson/CC" subject headed 
posts with "Bush Lied" subject headed posts.  But I think this focus on a 
religious group that seeks to expand and gain influence over the community 
is worth the attention it is getting.

Ted

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