[Vision2020] RE: A (Boring) Liberal World
Art Deco
deco@moscow.com
Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:52:48 -0800
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"...not looking to have any debate..."
Once again Christ Church Culters show themselves to be bigoted cowards.
Wayne Fox
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From: Joshua Nieuwsma=20
To: vision=20
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] RE: A (Boring) Liberal World
Again, visionaries, not looking to have any debate, so don't expect =
any response emails to questions (unless sent offlist). Just some =
comments on this "A Liberal World" string. Seems to me that a world =
where naked breasts and buttocks are a common sight is a world where =
sexuality no longer has any mystique. The liberal way removes the beauty =
of the naked human body, because it makes it common. The liberal way is =
even worse than the way of the Renaissance, who for all their problems =
at least elevated the body in beautiful artwork. They saw it as =
beautiful and special, even if they stared too much at other men's wives =
on the wall... If Da Vinci had made as many paintings as Thomas Kinkade, =
no doubt they would be worth far less than they currently are. Mankind =
naturally values that which is rare, such as the woman of Proverbs (a =
merchant, a seamstress, a real estate agent, a wife, a mother, and =
honored highly by her husband- definitely a ! rarity in this egalitarian =
culture). Perhaps "less embarassment towards sexuality" should be =
understood this way: Boring as plain cream pudding. Where's the mystery =
on one's wedding night with your bride if you've already seen her body =
in the local swimming pool? The biblical Christian is open about =
sexuality, because Scripture is. He is not afraid to use sexual terms =
when appropriate because God does so, and he is certainly not afraid of =
the God-designed pleasures in the sexual life experienced by a man and =
his wife. God makes it very clear that marriage is physical union =
between one man and one woman in covenant with each other and God. But =
openness about human sexuality is completely different than the current =
thoughts by Mr. Nick Gier et al, who would rather demean sexuality to =
the commonness enjoyed by the art of sleeping. Sleep is so common and so =
easy to do that most of us don't think twice about it. Gier wants the =
human b! ody to be given precisely the same level of honor. In his =
world, there would be no arousal at the sight of a female breast because =
it would be commonplace and unimportant. However, sexuality should be =
hidden, veiled, protected, because it is a garden, a masterpiece. There =
should be sexual tension, there should be desire, there should be a =
love-lust, there should be in every married man's heart an obsession =
with his wife's body. There can be none of that in the world that Mr. =
Gier advocates. In short, the liberal world is a boring place, a place =
where beauty is just as valued as ugliness, where truth is just as =
fascinating as falsehood, where the wedding night is no different than a =
casual coed volleyball game in the nude with Eminem blasting through the =
nearby dorm windows.=20
I feel like starting another "Not in our town" campaign. The motto: =
"Treat Sex like it was the last Da Vinci". The goals: "To teach the =
value and beauty and mystery and importance of the marriage bed to every =
person; To protect society from the destructive ideals of those who =
would attack sexuality and make it so much dirt under their worldview's =
tires; To guard the beauty of the female body from those who would =
demean it by prohibiting it from being obscenely displayed in society; =
To teach every man to be obsessed with his wife's body; To teach every =
woman to be obscessed with her husband's body; To protect society from =
diseases by teaching the beauty of the lifelong heterosexual marriage =
covenant." The Modus Operandi: "Preach the Gospel of repentance and =
faith and life in Jesus Christ to Moscow, ID." But I won't. Because even =
though it would be way more "tolerant" than the current schizophrentic =
"not in our town" campaign, campaigns are not the way! God works in =
human society. The Gospel is not just another "campaign for life-saving =
values." So I'll just continue living a Christian life, walking with the =
God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and occasionally making comments about =
the boring and humanly demeaning way of life professed by some on this =
forum.=20
cheers,
Joshua Nieuwsma
-U of I student-
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Djoshuahendrik@yahoo.com =
href=3D"mailto:joshuahendrik@yahoo.com">Joshua=20
Nieuwsma</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 15, =
2004 1:37=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] RE: A =
(Boring)=20
Liberal World</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Again, visionaries, not looking to have any debate, so don't =
expect any=20
response emails to questions (unless sent offlist). Just some comments =
on this=20
"A Liberal World" string. Seems to me that a world where naked breasts =
and=20
buttocks are a common sight is a world where sexuality no longer has =
any=20
mystique. The liberal way removes the beauty of the naked human body, =
because=20
it makes it common. The liberal way is even worse than the way of the=20
Renaissance, who for all their problems at least elevated =
the body in=20
beautiful artwork. They saw it as beautiful and special, even if =
they=20
stared too much at other men's wives on the wall... If Da Vinci =
had made=20
as many paintings as Thomas Kinkade, no doubt they would be worth =
far=20
less than they currently are. Mankind naturally values that which =
is rare, such as the woman of Proverbs (a merchant, a =
seamstress, a=20
real estate agent, a wife, a mother, and honored highly by her =
husband-=20
definitely a ! rarity in this egalitarian culture). Perhaps "less =
embarassment towards sexuality" should be understood this way: =
Boring=20
as plain cream pudding. Where's the mystery =
on one's=20
wedding night with your bride if you've already seen her body in =
the=20
local swimming pool? The biblical Christian is open about =
sexuality,=20
because Scripture is. He is not afraid to use sexual terms when =
appropriate=20
because God does so, and he is certainly not afraid of the =
God-designed=20
pleasures in the sexual life experienced by a man and his wife. God =
makes it=20
very clear that marriage is physical union between one man and one =
woman in=20
covenant with each other and God. But openness =
about human sexuality=20
is completely different than the current thoughts by Mr. Nick Gier et =
al, who=20
would rather demean sexuality to the commonness enjoyed by the art of=20
sleeping. Sleep is so common and so easy to do that most of us don't =
think=20
twice about it. Gier wants the human b! ody to be given precisely =
the=20
same level of honor. In his world, there would be no arousal at the =
sight of a=20
female breast because it would be commonplace and=20
unimportant. However, sexuality should be hidden, veiled, =
protected,=20
because it is a garden, a masterpiece. There should be sexual tension, =
there=20
should be desire, there should be a love-lust, there should be in =
every=20
married man's heart an obsession with his wife's body. There can be =
none of=20
that in the world that Mr. Gier advocates. In short, the liberal =
world is=20
a boring place, a place where beauty is just as valued as ugliness, =
where=20
truth is just as fascinating as falsehood, where the wedding night is =
no=20
different than a casual coed volleyball game in the nude with Eminem =
blasting=20
through the nearby dorm windows. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I feel like starting another "Not in our town" campaign. The =
motto:=20
"Treat Sex like it was the last Da Vinci". The goals: "To teach the =
value and=20
beauty and mystery and importance of the marriage bed to=20
every person; To protect society from the destructive ideals of =
those who=20
would attack sexuality and make it so much dirt under their =
worldview's tires;=20
To guard the beauty of the female body from those who would demean it =
by=20
prohibiting it from being obscenely displayed in society; To teach =
every man=20
to be obsessed with his wife's body; To teach every woman to be =
obscessed with=20
her husband's body; To protect society from diseases by teaching the =
beauty of=20
the lifelong heterosexual marriage covenant." The Modus Operandi: =
"Preach the=20
Gospel of repentance and faith and life in Jesus Christ to =
Moscow, ID."=20
But I won't. Because even though it would be way more "tolerant" than =
the=20
current schizophrentic "not in our town" campaign, campaigns are =
not the=20
way! God works in human society. The Gospel is not just another =
"campaign=20
for life-saving values." So I'll just continue living a Christian =
life,=20
walking with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and occasionally =
making=20
comments about the boring and humanly demeaning way of life =
professed by=20
some on this forum. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>cheers,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Joshua Nieuwsma</DIV>
<DIV>-U of I student-</DIV>
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