[Vision2020] Leaflets and Silence
Saundra Lund
sslund@adelphia.net
Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:21:07 -0800
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Visionaires:
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Sorry for the delay in responding, but sometimes things need to =
percolate in
my mind a bit :-)
=20
Ms. Huskey shared with us the Two Dougs (Wilson & Jones) incredibly
adolescent "Topless and Proud" stunt from 1999. Apparently, the purpose =
of
the "prank" was to bring attention, I guess, to an action by our City
Council in a decision with which CC/Logos/NSA/Cannon Press/Credenda et =
al
disagreed. Why the U of I was the target of the prank is beyond me, but =
. .
.=20
=20
I'll withhold comment on whether I think the prank was amusing or not -- =
it
doesn't really matter, anyway, because it's clear from Wilson's writing =
on
the matter (http://www.credenda.org/issues/11-3meander.php) that at =
least
he, Jones, and those NSA *male* students who participated in the prank =
got
enough amusement from their stunt for -- and at the expense of -- the =
rest
of the community including the U of I. Nothing could be clearer from
braggart Wilson's aggrandizing description of the fraud.
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But, here's what I don't get: how the HECK do Wilson et al have the =
gall to
express outrage at the so-called anonymous *factually correct* (with the
exception of one page number probably being mistyped) flyer that brought
attention to their upcoming "history" conference (and their wicked =
fringe
views) yet find it acceptable to perpetuate a genuine fraud on the U of =
I --
and on our community as a whole -- by papering the U of I with truly =
bogus
flyers and faxing same all over campus?!?!
=20
The take-home message I find from the two incidents is that when Wilson =
et
al think something is funny, even at the expense of the rest of the
community, that's all that matters, but when they take exception with
*factually correct* information about their wicked views seeing the =
light of
day, we're just supposed to roll over -- truth be d*mned -- be quiet, =
and
blindly accept their lies.
=20
I'm truly *not* being intentionally obtuse -- is there some other =
message
that's NOT morally repugnant I'm missing here?
=20
=20
Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to =
do
nothing.
-Edmund Burke=20
-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] =
On
Behalf Of DonaldH675@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 7:44 PM
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Leaflets and Silence
Visionaries:=20
=20
Tolerance is a two edged sword. We all enjoy and expect our first =
amendment
rights to be protected. I don't believe that many Vision 2020 readers =
wish
to abridge those rights, even if we are offended (or enraged) by the =
content
of some viewpoints. However, free speech is not the same thing as free
speech used to mask a religious agenda that includes the goal of =
destroying
our Constitution. Ironically, that is the ploy employed by theonomists.
=20
Hiding behind their constitutional right of free speech they promote a
philosophy that would effectively obliterate freedom of religion, =
freedom of
speech, gut our judicial system, and install a Big Brother in our living
rooms. Are theonomists entitled to their pipe dreams? Absolutely --
although under their rule I would not be entitled to mine. Gagged by =
the
fear of appearing intolerant some of us are, in effect, doing the
theonomists' work for them.=20
=20
Many V2020 contributors have suggested that those of us who speak out =
should
mind our own business, live and let live, and not push our world views =
on
others. Although my worldview may be offensive to some and celebrated =
by
others, let me assure you that I don't have a far-reaching plan, much =
less
willing disciples to inflict my worldview on the Palouse or anywhere =
else. I
hope our politically moderate and, particularly, our =
leaning-toward-the-left
contributors/sympathizers will reflect on the following compare and =
contrast
exercise.
=20
In 1999, Doug Wilson and Doug Jones dreamed up the notion of blanketing =
the
University of Idaho with their (yes, sigh, once again self-published)
leaflets entitled "Topless and Proud." Wilson describes this behavior =
as a
"prank." In actuality this puerile, adolescent attempt at humor was a
deliberate effort to mock and discredit the university and in the =
process
ridicule Moscow's progressive community. (See: Credenda Agenda, Vol. =
11,
Issue 3, column headed "Rattle and Hum"=20
< <http://www.credenda.org/issues/11-3meander.php>
http://www.credenda.org/issues/11-3meander.php> for Wilson's jocular
planning and execution of this "prank." Incidentally, you won't find =
any
explanation of the Beavis and Butthead breast-related humor that seems =
to be
a reoccurring theme in other "skylarking" events and writings. =20
=20
Doug Wilson endorsed and helped create a lie, dismissed the lie as
"high-jinks" and chortled over the resulting embarrassment to the
University. But ah, the wheel turns. More recently, I am told, he is
actively engaged in courting senior university and state officials in a
sniveling bid for their support and sympathy against genuinely trained
academics.
=20
In contrast, we have yet to have a gain a clear explanation from Doug =
Wilson
about the purported slanders, lies, and distortions in the leaflet that
accurately quoted Doug Wilson's and Steve Wilkins' historic =
interpretation
on slavery and race relations in the ante-bellum south. Where are the =
lies?
Where is the slander? Indeed, where are the historians? =20
=20
If any of you excuse your silence on the local theonomists by indulging =
in
the misguided notion that Doug Wilson and his comrades are just a little
local church desiring only to be left alone to worship God in their own
covenantal way, its time for you take your mind out of neutral and put =
it in
gear. You are engaged in wishful thinking and liberal lethargy. =
Christian
Reconstruction (aka) theonomy is a national movement. It has specific =
long
range goals. (Some of which you may have enjoyed reading about it in =
the
recent theomonic laws thread.) Doug Wilson's guests at the forthcoming
opinion conference, George Grant and Steve Wilkins, are enmeshed in the
Christian Reconstructionist and the neo-Confederate movements. Note
please: Doug denies that he is a card carrying Recon . It is perhaps =
just a
happy accident that his pronouncements and writings mirror the Recon =
agenda
and share religious doctrines. It is also the case that if information
chasms can't be leapt, a slippery little rhetorical device known as "the
covenantal lie" can bridge any awkward gaps. (For those of us who =
always
thought a lie was a lie, it's not. It's not really a lie if a "Saint" is
protecting or extending the covenant.)
=20
Those of you who mistakenly believe that by choosing silence you have =
staked
a claim on the moral high ground, lets be clear, you haven't. For those
delicate brothers and sisters among us who won't censure the local
theonomists because they wish to retain an unblemished reputations as
broadminded liberals, please reconsider your motives. Consider who and =
what
you are really defending.=20
=20
Rose Huskey
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D964105318-14012004>Visionaires:</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D964105318-14012004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D964105318-14012004>Sorry for the delay in responding, =
but=20
sometimes things need to percolate in my mind a bit =
:-)</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D964105318-14012004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D964105318-14012004>Ms. Huskey shared with us the Two =
Dougs=20
(Wilson & Jones) incredibly adolescent "Topless and Proud" =
stunt from=20
1999. Apparently, the purpose of the "prank" was to bring =
attention, I=20
guess, to an action by our City Council in a decision =
with=20
which CC/Logos/NSA/Cannon Press/Credenda et al disagreed. Why =
the U=20
of I was the target of the prank is beyond me, but . . . </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D964105318-14012004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D964105318-14012004>I'll withhold comment on whether I =
think the=20
prank was amusing or not -- it doesn't really matter, anyway, because =
it's clear=20
from Wilson's writing on the matter (<A=20
href=3D"http://www.credenda.org/issues/11-3meander.php">http://www.creden=
da.org/issues/11-3meander.php</A>)=20
that at least he, Jones, and those NSA *male* students who participated =
in the=20
prank got enough amusement from their stunt for -- and at the expense of =
-- the=20
rest of the community including the U of I. Nothing could be =
clearer from=20
braggart Wilson's aggrandizing description of the fraud.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D964105318-14012004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D964105318-14012004>But, here's what I don't =
get: =20
how the HECK do Wilson et al have the gall to express outrage =
at the=20
so-called anonymous *factually correct* (with the exception of one page=20
number probably being mistyped) flyer that brought attention to =
their=20
upcoming "history" conference (and their wicked fringe views) yet find =
it=20
acceptable to perpetuate a genuine fraud on the U of I -- and on =
our=20
community as a whole -- by papering the U of I with truly bogus flyers =
and=20
faxing same all over campus?!?!</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D964105318-14012004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D964105318-14012004>The take-home message =
I find from=20
the two incidents is that when Wilson et al think something is funny, =
even at=20
the expense of the rest of the community, that's all that matters, but =
when they=20
take exception with *factually correct* information about their wicked =
views=20
seeing the light of day, we're just supposed to roll over -- truth =
be=20
d*mned -- be quiet, and blindly accept their lies.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D964105318-14012004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D964105318-14012004>I'm truly *not* being =
intentionally=20
obtuse -- is there some other message that's NOT morally repugnant=20
</SPAN><SPAN class=3D964105318-14012004>I'm missing here?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Saundra<SPAN class=3D964105318-14012004> Lund</SPAN><BR>Moscow, =
ID<BR><BR>The=20
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do=20
nothing.<BR>-Edmund Burke </DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] <B>On =
Behalf=20
Of </B>DonaldH675@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 08, 2004 =
7:44=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] =
Leaflets and Silence<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3>Visionaries: </FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3>Tolerance is a two edged sword.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes"> =20
</SPAN>We all enjoy and expect our first amendment rights to be=20
protected.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I don't =
believe that=20
many Vision 2020 readers wish to abridge those rights, even if we are =
offended=20
(or enraged) by the content of some viewpoints.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>However, free speech is not =
the same=20
thing as free speech used to mask a religious agenda that includes the =
goal of=20
destroying our Constitution.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>Ironically, that is the ploy employed by =
theonomists.</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT =
size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">Hiding behind their constitutional right =
of free speech they promote a philosophy that would effectively=20
obliterate freedom of religion, freedom of speech, gut our judicial =
system,=20
and install a Big Brother in our living rooms.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Are theonomists entitled to =
their pipe=20
dreams?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Absolutely -- =
although=20
under their rule I would not be entitled to mine.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Gagged by the fear of =
appearing=20
intolerant some of us are, in effect, doing the theonomists’ =
work for=20
them. </FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3>Many V2020 contributors have suggested that those of us who =
speak out=20
should mind our own business, live and let live, and not push our =
world views=20
on others.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Although my =
worldview=20
may be offensive to some and celebrated by others, let me assure you =
that I=20
don't have a far-reaching plan, much less willing disciples to inflict =
my=20
worldview on the Palouse or anywhere else. I hope our politically =
moderate=20
and, particularly, our leaning-toward-the-left =
contributors/sympathizers will=20
reflect on the following compare and contrast exercise.</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3>In 1999, Doug Wilson and Doug Jones dreamed up the notion of =
blanketing=20
the <st1:place><st1:PlaceType>University</st1:PlaceType> of=20
<st1:PlaceName>Idaho</st1:PlaceName></st1:place> with their (yes, =
sigh, once=20
again self-published) leaflets entitled “Topless and =
Proud.” <SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes"> </SPAN><st1:City><st1:place>Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>=20
describes this behavior as a “prank.” In actuality this =
puerile, adolescent=20
attempt at humor was a deliberate effort to mock and discredit the =
university=20
and in the process ridicule=20
<st1:City><st1:place>Moscow's</st1:place></st1:City> progressive=20
community.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(See: =20
<EM>Credenda Agenda</EM>, Vol. 11, Issue 3, column headed =
“Rattle and Hum”=20
</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><</FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.credenda.org/issues/11-3meander.php"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
=
size=3D3>http://www.credenda.org/issues/11-3meander.php</FONT></A><FONT=20
size=3D3><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">> for=20
<st1:City><st1:place>Wilson's</st1:place></st1:City> jocular planning =
and=20
execution of this “prank.” <SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Incidentally, you won't find =
any=20
explanation of the Beavis and Butthead breast-related humor that seems =
to be a=20
reoccurring theme in other “skylarking” events and =
writings. <SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3>Doug Wilson endorsed and helped create a lie, dismissed the =
lie as=20
“high-jinks” and chortled over the resulting embarrassment =
to the=20
University.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But ah, the =
wheel=20
turns. More recently, I am told, he is actively engaged in courting =
senior=20
university and state officials in a sniveling bid for their support =
and=20
sympathy against genuinely trained academics.</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3>In contrast, we have yet to have a gain a clear explanation =
from Doug=20
Wilson about the purported<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>slanders, lies, and distortions in the leaflet that accurately =
quoted=20
Doug Wilson's and Steve Wilkins’ historic interpretation on =
slavery and race=20
relations in the ante-bellum south.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes"> =20
</SPAN>Where are the lies?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>Where=20
is the slander?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> Indeed, where =
are the=20
</SPAN>historians?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3>If any of you excuse your silence on the local =
theonomists by=20
indulging in the misguided notion that Doug Wilson and his comrades =
are just a=20
little local church desiring only to be left alone to worship God in =
their own=20
covenantal way, its time for you take your mind out of neutral and put =
it in=20
gear.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You are engaged =
in wishful=20
thinking and liberal lethargy.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>Christian Reconstruction (aka) theonomy is a national =
movement.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It has specific long range =
goals.=20
<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Some of which you may =
have=20
enjoyed reading about it in the recent theomonic laws thread.)<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Doug Wilson’s guests =
at the=20
forthcoming opinion conference, George Grant and Steve Wilkins, are =
enmeshed=20
in the Christian Reconstructionist and the neo-Confederate movements. =
<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Note please: Doug =
denies that he=20
is a card carrying Recon .<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>It is=20
perhaps just a happy accident that his pronouncements and writings=20
mirror the Recon agenda and share religious doctrines.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is also the case that if=20
information chasms can't be leapt, a slippery little rhetorical device =
known=20
as “the covenantal lie” can bridge any awkward gaps.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(For those of us who always =
thought a=20
lie was a lie, it's not. It's not really a lie if a =
“Saint” is <SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>protecting or extending the=20
covenant.)</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3>Those of you who mistakenly believe that by choosing silence =
you have=20
staked a claim on the moral high ground, lets be clear, you =
haven't.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>For those delicate brothers =
and=20
sisters among us who won't censure the local theonomists because they =
wish to=20
retain an unblemished reputations as broadminded liberals, please =
reconsider=20
your motives. Consider who and what you are really defending. =
</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3>Rose Huskey</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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