[Vision2020] Not On The Palouse, Not Ever

[Tom Hansen]

Arnold stated:

"OK here is my incisive analyses of Doug Wilson and the I hate Doug Wilson
Fan Club, AKA Not on the Palouse, Not Ever."

"Not On The Palouse, Not Ever" is a group?  A club?  WOW !

That is news to me.  Ever since I designed it (and have maintained it
since), it has been nothing more than a website.  If, in fact, it is a group
(or club), its total membership is one person (me, Tom Hansen).

What you are saying, Arnold, is that the expressed (and publicly posted,
with links to external websites) opinion of one person (me, Tom Hansen) is
violating the Dougster's (and his flock's) first amendment rights.  Is this
correct?  It must be.  You have stated it several times before.

One question, Donovan "I know everything about everything" Arnold.  How is
my (me, Tom Hansen) expressed and publicly posted opinion violating the
Dougster's (and his flock's) first amendment rights?

If you would take the time to research the "Not On The Palouse, Not Ever"
website, you would realize that the website is NOT attacking Douglas Wilson,
the individual.  I am not going to reiterate what I have stated several
times before (and which is clearly stated on the website) about the purpose
of the "Not On The Palouse, Not Ever" website.

Suffice it to say that the website will continue to live out its purpose
until I am no longer able to make it to a keyboard.

Until then . . .

Take care,

Tom Hansen
Not On The Palouse, Not Ever

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"When people sin, everybody has to pay."

- Pastor Douglas Wilson, Christ Church (June 7, 2002)

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 -----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
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Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 11:44 PM
To: deco@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Marriage and the bible


Wayne,

OK here is my incisive analyses of Doug Wilson and the I hate Doug Wilson
Fan Club, AKA Not on the Palouse, Not Ever.

I think it is a violation of Mr. Wilson's and members of Christ Church
rights to speak, act, and practice their First amendment rights.  I may not
agree with about 50%+ of Mr. Wilson's ideals, principles, and opinions on
the issues. I might want him to "go away" or change his mind. But unless Mr.
Wilson violates the law in some way, or threatens the personal safety and
rights of others, he is of little concern to me, and should be to others.

My point is, we all live together in Moscow. I think it wrong to purposely
create an organization that has the purpose of dividing the community rather
than bringing it together. To me this group is a witch hunt against people
that think and believe differently and have a "VISION" different from my
own.  It is what has been done time and time again against many minorities,
particularly gays and lesbians. People should organize, but they should do
so to push issues and unite the community, not attack individuals or bring
them down.

Not all members of Christ Church are bad unreasonable people. And there are
far worse things people can be than members of Christ Church. In a phrase, I
think many people are "crossing the line" as to what is acceptable and
normal opposition to a different view. One of those is calling Mr. Wilson,
"As immoral as Osama bin Lauden." This is going to far. I don't even think
Mr. Bush is as bad as Osama.

The whole movement seems to be based more on "self-importance" rather than
the actual threat. People seem to think that Mr. Wilson is "Hitler in the
making" and that if "I" fight to stop him now, then "I" am saving the world,
or at least Moscow. It is this attitude that is more annoying then what
Christ Church does. It seems as though both sides are stroking each others
ego's by spending their time and energy on each other. Both sides think they
are saving the world, when in fact 90% of Moscow doesn't give a rip.

Finally, I think if you really wanted to help people and not boost your own
ego you would concentrate on helping with real problems, not factious ones
or ones that could, might, maybe exist in the future. Here is a list of
things that needed to be done a long time ago in Moscow and Idaho that
outweigh Mr. Wilson's threat. As a matter of fact, you might be able to work
WITH Mr. Wilson on some these things.

1) Funding for the Moscow Homeless Shelter
2) Restoring the quality and quantity of water in Moscow
3) Making Moscow more accessible for the disabled
4) Raising the minimum wage to a livable wage
5) Getting the boards filled in our city council
6) Fighting to get disabled individuals in Idaho more than $550 a month to
live on
7) Affordable Health Care
8) Better funding for schools
9) Bringing good paying jobs into Moscow
10) Getting a Crosswalk across the Moscow Pullman Highway for the students
11) Reducing the cost of child care
12) Restoring the rights of renters
13) Creating a progressive taxation
14) Allowing more people in real need access to food stamps, medical
supplies and medicine, and financial support.
15) Freeing Sami Omar from false imprisonment
16) Reducing housing costs in Moscow which are way to high

I am sure any reasonable person could list even more.

Take Care,
Donovan J Arnold