[Vision2020] RE: Steve Wilkins on Racism . . . AND Quotes AND Flyers/Posters

[Saundra Lund]

Mr. Owen,

Thanks for the info . . . can you please share the time of Wilkins talk on
"The Sin of Racism" Wednesday, 2/4 in the SUB Silver & Gold Rooms?

You also wrote:
". . . the reason why I mentioned three weeks (and running, don't forget) of
research on the Neoconfeds was because that's how long Bill London said
(actually two weeks . . . "

Isn't it funny how misquotes get started & keep right on spreading?  In this
case, and to set the record straight, what Mr. London *actually* said was:
"With some difficulty, I can define Neo-Confederate.  The problem is that it
was brand new to me as of a couple of weeks ago.  I mean, I didn’t know
these people existed and I didn’t know they had these kind of beliefs.  But
since that time I’ve learned quite a bit about what Neo-Confederates are &
what they do."

Doug Wilson then interpreted "couple" to mean two:
"I think it’s only fair to point out that someone who two weeks ago didn’t
know what a Neo-Confederate was ought not to be on the radio talking about
it."

By definition, in London's usage, 'couple' can mean two or few . . . leave
it to Wilson to choose the definition that best suits *his* needs.  And, he
even had London *right there* to be able to ask for clarification (something
Wilson et al frequently chide posters for not doing), but rather than do
that, he just put his own personal spin on it.  Not surprising, IMHO.

(I don't know whether London used 'couple' to mean "two" or "few".)

Then, Mr. Courtney carried on with the definition used by Wilson, only he
took it a step further and misquoted London by attributing the following
mangled quote directly to London:
"I'd never even heard of the neo-Confederate movement until 2 weeks ago"

And, here you are. Mr. Owens, carrying on the misquote  :-)  Reminds me of
that game Telephone I played when I was a kid.

BTW, as long as we're making observations about the debate, did anyone else
notice the answer to the burning question about what was defamatory and
untrue about the infamous anonymous flier (which he's currently inflated to
poster status)?  Wilson ***finally*** admitted that it was "technically true
. . . technically accurate."

Gee . . . that's a pretty simple answer . . . I wonder why it took him so
long to come forward with it?


Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
-Edmund Burke 

-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com] On
Behalf Of Jerry Owen
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 10:07 AM
To: DonaldH675@aol.com; vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Steve Wilkins on Racism


Rose and Steve and V20/20,

I did read Wilkins on hospitality, and it was a fine one.  To quench your 
curiosity, the reason why I mentioned three weeks (and running, don't 
forget) of research on the Neoconfeds was because that's how long Bill 
London said (actually two weeks, but I like to be optomistic and not think 
he's wrapped it up already) he has even known about it.  Did you hear the 
little discussion on KUOI the other night? How Bill, who is so plugged in 
and obviously a Not in Our Town spokesman, could be so ignorant of your deep

archive on V2020, well, it boggles.

You are cordially invited and need only to show up.  Steve would be glad to 
answer any questions or concerns you have much as Doug did at the town 
meeting you missed out on.  But fair enough, you had an ordination party to 
attend.

Best,

JO


>From: DonaldH675@aol.com
>To: owenjerry@hotmail.com, vision2020@moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Steve Wilkins on Racism
>Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:58:58 EST
>
>Jerry,
>
>What a gracious invitation to Steve Wilkins talk.  Instead of worrying 
>about
>what he thinks about slavery (it is my sense that safely in Idaho, away 
>from
>his neo-con friends, he will backtrack so fast all we will see are skid 
>marks)
>you might want to place his book on hospitality on your reading list.
>
>I am a bit curious why you think that many of us have only spent three 
>weeks
>thinking about Neo-Confederate organizations or racism.  I urge you to do a
>quick 2020 archival search - it might refresh your memory on how long this 
>has
>been a topic.
>
>I was unaware that Steve Wilkins was receiving death threats because of his
>multicultural congregation.  If that is the case, it must be easy for him 
>to
>empathize with those of us who are under the same burden from his fellow 
>forum
>speaker, George Grant who calls for the death penalty for homosexuals,
>fornicators, and the incorrigible adolesent.
>
>Do we register for this talk, or just come on in?
>
>Rose Huskey

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