[Vision2020] Re: Chamber President and FirstBank

[Ted Ryan]

And you know their books aren't in order how?  You are comparing your
personal accounting to that of the chamber?  And somehow you are able to
judge all of this based on what facts?

This is exactly the answer to the question that has been asked by some in
the last few days.  Why do so few post in this forum when there are so many
members?  Is it because it is not worth the time to post when the list will
be flooded with irrational, unfounded, poorly  thought out replies?

Case in point, in Wayne's first item below he has assumed that the Chamber
doesn't even have "the most inexpensive of these programs".  And you know
this how?  You have assumed them guilty (of not owning software, how dare
they not own software!) before you know anything.

Not only is Mr. Kimmell in trouble in your mind but now the whole Chamber,
and based on what, some newspaper articles?

It is good to hear that you all practice good personal financial accounting.
It is a shame that the Chamber members when asked, didn't have the Chamber
checkbook on them so they could answer the question better.  Of course, if
they had the checkbook with them, then that would be a problem.  They must
be up to no good if they were carrying that around.  I am mean how could
they do that, who let it happen?  They all should step down because a
Chamber member was caught with the checkbook!  Did you here about that,
using the Chamber checkbook for personal purchases?  Oh, wait, I didn't hear
that, I made it up...

There is no winning in here with these kind of rules, were is the incentive
to participate?

Ted Ryan

> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:04:49 -0700
> From: "Art Deco aka W. Fox" <deco at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Chamber President and FirstBank
> To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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> Joan, Scott, Tom, Dan, et al,
>
> Joan has made two very important points in her posts today.
>
> 1.    In an earlier post, she mentioned double entry accounting software.
Had
> the chamber been using even one of the most inexpensive of these programs,
their
> books would not be out of balance.  Accounting software is designed (when
> properly working) so that an unbalanced entry cannot be made.  But being
in
> balance is only one step in having accurate books; other problems can
occur if
> all entries are not accurately entered in a timely manner.
>
> 2.    Joan give the short list of documented, undeniable, business-wise
and
> sensitivity-wise unforgivable, sometimes asinine problems that have
occurred
> because of Kimmell's ineptitude.  Given the current brouhaha, is it
possible now
> for Kimmell to ever regain the confidence of the community?  Will it ever
be
> possible for him to lead a respected and well-liked chamber?  How will
this
> current mess affect the mission and future of the chamber and the
community?
>
> Many think that the answers to the above questions portend that Kimmell,
> whatever his strengths (affability is certainly one of them), will never
be able
> to be an effective, unifying leader for the chamber.
>
> An honorable person in his position would have the grace to resign and
gain at
> least some measure of community respect back.  If not, a conscientious
chamber
> board who is aware of all of its responsibilities and duties would take
the
> obvious step for the health and future of the chamber, and for the health
and
> future of the community which in the past it has served so well regardless
of
> the initial pain incurred.
>
> Wayne
>
> Art Deco  (Wayne Fox)
> deco at moscow.com
>
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Joan Opyr
>   To: Scott Dredge ; Vision2020 Moscow
>   Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 1:01 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Chamber President and FirstBank
>
>