[Vision2020] Re: Vision2020 Digest, Vol 3, Issue 131

Joan Opyr auntiestablishment at hotmail.com
Tue Aug 24 13:03:04 PDT 2004

Really, Mr. Ryan:

I have never described Paul Kimmell as Doug Wilson's puppet; you're confusing me with someone else.  I believe that Mr. Kimmell is a follower, an accolyte, and a true believer.  Like the "how high should I jump" Marine recruits I compared him to, Paul does have volition.  It's how he chooses to exercise that volition that is the matter of our current debate.  When does the question of free will become moot?  We've already faced the spectacle of Doug answering questions that were put to Paul.  When did the two become one?  Under the circumstances, you cannot be surprised if some have confused Doug and Paul with Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy (or, in light of Doug's ruthless sarcasm, Waylon Flowers and Madame.)  

As for proving my contention that Robert E. Lee is a hero of Doug's, there's no need for me to employ my Spider Sense; interpolation seems entirely adequate.  At Doug's school, Logos, Lee's birthday is celebrated; Lincoln's is not.  Lee's portrait hangs in the school; Ulysses S. Grant's does not.  Doug has written extensive, laudatory pieces on the courage and nobility of Robert E. Lee.  Sherman, by contrast, has gotten short shrift.  But don't take my word for it.  Run a search through the back issues of Credenda Agenda; read Doug's various antebellum apologetics; check out the Vision 2020 archives.  You don't need to be Madame Blavatsky to know where Doug stands on Robert E. Lee.  If I had the time or the inclination, I'd run a count to see who Doug cites more, Jesus Christ or the General.

Just for the hell of it, Mr. Ryan, why don't you try explaining why you think Paul Kimmell chose Robert E. Lee for this leadership retreat?  Why did he distribute materials embossed with the Confederate battle flag?  It seems to me that your options are limited.  Political tone-deafness.  Idiocy.  A genuine admiration for Lee's work for the Confederacy.  Or a complete and utter disregard for the community climate and the Chamber's constituents.  Ugly choices, all, I fear.

Putting away my tarot cards,

Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Ryan
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 12:12 PM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Cc: auntiestablishment at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Vision2020 Digest, Vol 3, Issue 131

Mr. Kimmell did not choose?  So you know what he had in mind there?  You
asked him?  Or I am to believe that you know his thoughts?  I also don't
recall Doug Wilson saying Lee is his hero.

I think that the conversation about how high to jump asked of Mr. Wilson
never happened.  We all know that white men can't jump, and Mr. Kimmell is
no exception.

I don't know how you people expect to attain peace when you are constantly
putting words in peoples mouths and refer to others as puppets, etc.  Is
this really helping?

Ted Ryan

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> Subject: [Vision2020] The red herrings are beginning to smell
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> Paul Kimmell did not choose Robert E. Lee because Lee's leadership offered
lessons applicable >to businesspeople on the Palouse; he picked him because
Lee is a hero of Doug Wilson's.  He >picked him because the veneration of
Lee is integral to the Christ Church political vision.  Once >upon a time,
when Doug Wilson said, "Jump," Paul Kimmell asked, "How high?"  Now, sadly,
he >asks, "Where's the cliff?"
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