[Vision2020] Re: Flyers
Andreas Schou
scho8053@uidaho.edu
Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:36:25 -0700
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=3E a=2E The headline article on Saturday read=3A =22Sanchez=2C director =
of =
=3E diversity and human rights at the UI=2C decided to research the Chris=
t =
=3E Church-sponsored conference in February that features the authors =
=3E discussing history and slavery=2E=22
=3E b=2E The History Conference isn=27t about=2C nor has it ever been abo=
ut =
=3E slavery=2E See=3A =
=3E http=3A//www=2Echristkirk=2Ecom/HistoryConferences/9thHistoryConferen=
ce/Topics=2E
Dale=3F
What=2C exactly=2C is the =22history=22 that Robert Louis Dabney is conce=
rned with=3F Did he write an entire body of work that I=27m not aware of =
on subjects other than the issue of slavery and the Confederacy=3F His on=
ly work that=27s of the slightest historical interest is =5FA Defense of =
Virginia=5F=2C unless=2C of course=2C you count =5FThe Negro and the Comm=
on School=5F=2C which I hope to God that you won=27t be discussing this F=
ebruary=2E
Also=2C as for your claim that the conference has never discussed slavery=
=2C it=27s misinformed=2E One of this year=27s attendees=2C who maintain=
s a blog at http=3A//gloryisabrokenhill=2Eblogspot=2Ecom/=2C writes this =
about previous conferences=3A =22It seems like there=92s always one issue=
that people just can=92t swallow at the C/A HC=2E It=92s usually slavery=
=2C but this year it was the Pledge of Allegiance=2E=22
Check your sources before posting=2C please=2E I=27m sure the Daily News =
checks theirs=2E
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1. RE: incumbent candidates (Shawn Clabough)
2. RE: incumbent candidates (Tom Hansen)
3. RE: Flyers (Tom Hansen)
4. Re: U of I pulls the plug on homecoming parody skit (Donovan Arnold)
5. Re: Flyers (Dale Courtney)
6. Jack Hill's Record (Donovan Arnold)
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Message: 1
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] incumbent candidates
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:12:02 -0700
From: "Shawn Clabough" <shawnc@outtrack.com>
To: <vision2020@moscow.com>
All, except for Peg Hamlett were for the nudity ordinance.
Shawn
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On Behalf Of Sunil Ramalingam
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 4:23 PM
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Subject: [Vision2020] incumbent candidates
What positions did the incumbents running for the City Council take on
the following issues:
1. The new gym by the Aquatic Center
2. The public nudity ordinance
Sunil
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From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com>
To: "Shawn Clabough" <shawnc@outtrack.com>, <vision2020@moscow.com>
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] incumbent candidates
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:30:47 -0700
Was Ms. Hamlett the council member that spoke at the anti- "nudity
ordinance" gathering in Freiendship Square a while back? I think she did,
but I am not certain. If so, she certainly has my vote.
Tom Hansen
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> All, except for Peg Hamlett were for the nudity ordinance.
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> Shawn
>
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> What positions did the incumbents running for the City Council take on
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> 1. The new gym by the Aquatic Center
> 2. The public nudity ordinance
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From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com>
To: <DonaldH675@aol.com>, <vision2020@moscow.com>
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Flyers
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:34:26 -0700
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I agree with Ms. Huskey. If there are DN reporters subscribed to this list,
could they present their side of this argument?
For a fact, are there any DN reporters subscribed to this list?
Tom Hansen
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From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
Behalf Of DonaldH675@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 4:58 PM
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Flyers
Dear Visionaries,
It is rare that I find myself in total agreement with our friends from
Christ Church. This is one of those occasions. While there seems to be
some confusion about when or where the anonymous flyers appeared, the notion
that the DN relied on an unsigned document as a factual story basis is very
disturbing. I know that some reporters from the DN read this list- serv -
would any on them care to share their side of the story with us? If not,
their credibility, it seems to me, is in a much more vulnerable position
that Doug Wilson's. At least, to his credit, regardless of how unpopular or
(in my opinion, deliberately inflammatory) he is never ashamed or reluctant
to sign his name.
Best,
Rose Huskey
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D782563100-17102003>I agree with Ms. Huskey. If =
there are=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D782563100-17102003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D782563100-17102003>For a fact, are there any DN =
reporters=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D782563100-17102003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D782563100-17102003>Tom Hansen</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]<B>On =
Behalf=20
Of </B>DonaldH675@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 16, 2003 =
4:58=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] =
Flyers<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Dear Visionaries,</DIV>
<DIV>It is rare that I find myself in total agreement with our friends =
from=20
Christ Church. This is one of those occasions. While there =
seems=20
to be some confusion about when or where the anonymous flyers =
appeared, the=20
notion that the DN relied on an unsigned document as a factual story =
basis is=20
very disturbing. I know that some reporters from the DN read =
this list-=20
serv - would any on them care to share their side of the story with =
us? =20
If not, their credibility, it seems to me, is in a much more =
vulnerable=20
position that Doug Wilson's. At least, to his credit, =
regardless of=20
how unpopular or (in my opinion, deliberately inflammatory) he=20
is never ashamed or reluctant to sign his name.</DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV>Rose Huskey</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Message: 4
From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanarnold@hotmail.com>
To: jack@moscowusa.com, vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] U of I pulls the plug on homecoming parody skit
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:27:35 -0700
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<P>See what I mean? I agree that the play was in bad taste. But it should not have been excluded because some people don't like it. They were not attacking a student. They were expressing their opinion in an artistic way to people that were not forced to listen to their message about public figures that effect their personal lives.</P>
<P>What they are saying is that if a public figure does something good they speak about it all they want, but if they do something bad they should not face attacks. This is controlling free speech. Sure it would be bad to have someone make fun of you. But if your are making decisions that affect the lives of the public and you are being paid by them you should be open to criticisms. They did exactly what the Chinese Government does. Shut down the criticism. </P></DIV>
<P>Like I said before, say all you can now because eventually you will not be allowed to say it. Not even what you are paying the person's salary.</P>
<DIV></DIV>
<P>Donovan J Arnold<BR><BR></P>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: "Jack Van Deventer" <JACK@MOSCOWUSA.COM>
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<DIV></DIV>>Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:12:53 -0700
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<DIV></DIV>>"The Phi Delta Theta fraternity was banned from homecoming competitions last
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<DIV></DIV>>week after its members performed a skit that homecoming officials said went
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<DIV></DIV>>too far."
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Message: 5
From: "Dale Courtney" <dmcourtn@moscow.com>
To: <vision2020@moscow.com>
Cc: "Nathan Alford" <alford@dnews.com>, <smcclure@dnews.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Flyers
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:49:45 -0700
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Rose & Tom (and Visionaries):=20
Let's be very clear on this matter.=20
a.. Back on 9 August 2003, Nathan Alford wrote in the Daily News that =
the Editors were interested in correcting every error in the Daily News =
(see "Accuracy Matters").=20
b.. The Daily News decided to run a front-page story based on a =
deliberately inflammatory, misleading, and incorrect anonymous flier.
a.. The headline article on Saturday read: "Sanchez, director of =
diversity and human rights at the UI, decided to research the Christ =
Church-sponsored conference in February that features the authors =
discussing history and slavery."
b.. The History Conference isn't about, nor has it ever been about =
slavery. See: =
http://www.christkirk.com/HistoryConferences/9thHistoryConference/Topics.=
asp
c.. You just have to wonder how much research Sanchez really did =
when he didn't even know what the topic of the conference was about!
c.. Yesterday (15 Oct 2003), the Daily News issued the following =
correction: "Local pastor Douglas Wilson and author J. Steven Wilkins, =
who were mentioned in the article "Slavery Revisited" in the weekend =
edition of the Daily News, will be in attendance at the ninth annual =
History Conference at the University of Idaho in February. The =
conference, sponsored by Credenda/ Agenda, will cover the topics of =
revolution and modernity. Incomplete information appeared in the Daily =
News."
a.. In fact, not only was the information incomplete, the =
information was factually incorrect.=20
b.. The Editors are refusing to retract the deliberately incorrect =
information.=20
c.. Why? Because they will have egg on their faces for creating the =
news as opposed to reporting it?=20
d.. We've seen these tactics from them in the past. See Ralph =
Nielson's letter about "Lynching in Friendship Square". That's news? =
That's not inflammatory?=20
Whether or not any DN reporters are subscribed to this list, I am =
copying the Editor (Alford) and Managing Editor (McClure).=20
Let's just say that I'd love to see how this helps their circulation. =
It's all about the bottom line anyway, isn't it? To hell with "truth" =
and "accuracy".=20
I would hope that Vision2020 would be interested in truth in reporting =
and not just in slander and baiting for revenue's sake.=20
Best,
Dale
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Tom Hansen=20
To: DonaldH675@aol.com ; vision2020@moscow.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 17:34
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Flyers
I agree with Ms. Huskey. If there are DN reporters subscribed to this =
list, could they present their side of this argument?
For a fact, are there any DN reporters subscribed to this list?
Tom Hansen
-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com =
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On Behalf Of DonaldH675@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 4:58 PM
To: vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Flyers
Dear Visionaries,
It is rare that I find myself in total agreement with our friends =
from Christ Church. This is one of those occasions. While there seems =
to be some confusion about when or where the anonymous flyers appeared, =
the notion that the DN relied on an unsigned document as a factual story =
basis is very disturbing. I know that some reporters from the DN read =
this list- serv - would any on them care to share their side of the =
story with us? If not, their credibility, it seems to me, is in a much =
more vulnerable position that Doug Wilson's. At least, to his credit, =
regardless of how unpopular or (in my opinion, deliberately =
inflammatory) he is never ashamed or reluctant to sign his name.
Best,
Rose Huskey
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Rose & Tom (and =
Visionaries):=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Let's be <U>very</U> clear =
on this=20
matter. </FONT></DIV>
<UL><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>
<LI><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Back on 9 August 2003, =
Nathan Alford=20
wrote in the <EM>Daily News </EM>that the Editors were interested in=20
correcting every error in the <EM>Daily News</EM> (see "Accuracy =
Matters").=20
</FONT></LI>
<LI>The <EM>Daily News </EM>decided to run a front-page story based =
on a=20
deliberately inflammatory, misleading, and <U>incorrect</U>=20
<U><EM>anonymous</EM></U> flier.</FONT></LI>
<UL>
<LI><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>The headline =
article on=20
Saturday read: "Sanchez, director of diversity and human rights at =
the UI,=20
decided to research the Christ Church-sponsored <STRONG><EM><FONT=20
color=3D#800000>conference in February that features the authors =
discussing=20
history and slavery</FONT></EM></STRONG>."</FONT></LI>
<LI><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>The History Conference =
isn't about,=20
nor has it <U>ever</U> been about slavery. See: <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.christkirk.com/HistoryConferences/9thHistoryConference=
/Topics.asp">http://www.christkirk.com/HistoryConferences/9thHistoryConfe=
rence/Topics.asp</A></FONT></LI>
<LI><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>You just <U>have</U> to =
wonder how=20
much research Sanchez <U>really</U> did when he didn't even know =
what the=20
<U>topic</U> of the conference was about!</FONT></LI></UL>
<LI><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Yesterday (15 Oct =
2003), the=20
<EM>Daily News </EM>issued</FONT> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>the=20
following correction: "Local pastor Douglas Wilson and author J. =
Steven=20
Wilkins, who were mentioned in the article "Slavery Revisited" in the =
weekend=20
edition of the Daily News, will be in attendance at the ninth annual =
History=20
Conference at the University of Idaho in February. The conference, =
sponsored=20
by Credenda/ Agenda, will cover the topics of revolution and =
modernity. <FONT=20
color=3D#800000><STRONG><U>Incomplete information appeared=20
</U></STRONG></FONT>in the Daily News."</FONT></LI>
<UL>
<LI><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>In fact, not only was =
the=20
information <U>incomplete</U>, the information was <U>factually=20
incorrect</U>. </FONT></LI>
<LI><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>The Editors are refusing =
to retract=20
the deliberately incorrect information. </FONT></LI>
<LI><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Why? Because they will =
have egg on=20
their faces for <U>creating</U> the news as opposed to reporting it? =
</FONT></LI>
<LI><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"><FONT size=3D3>We've seen these =
tactics from=20
them in the past. See Ralph Nielson's letter about "Lynching in =
Friendship=20
Square". That's <U>news</U>? That's not <U>inflammatory</U>?=20
</FONT></LI></UL></UL></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Whether or not any DN =
reporters are=20
subscribed to this list, I am copying the Editor (Alford) and Managing =
Editor=20
(McClure). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Let's just say that I'd =
<U>love</U> to=20
see how this helps their circulation. It's all about the bottom line =
anyway,=20
isn't it? To hell with "truth" and "accuracy". </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>I would hope that =
Vision2020 would be=20
interested in <U>truth</U> in reporting and not just in slander and =
baiting for=20
revenue's sake. </FONT></DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>
<DIV><BR>Best,</DIV>
<DIV>Dale</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dthansen@moscow.com href=3D"mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom =
Hansen</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3DDonaldH675@aol.com=20
href=3D"mailto:DonaldH675@aol.com">DonaldH675@aol.com</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dvision2020@moscow.com=20
href=3D"mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 16, =
2003=20
17:34</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] =
Flyers</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D782563100-17102003>I agree with Ms. Huskey. =
If there=20
are DN reporters subscribed to this list, could they present their =
side of=20
this argument?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D782563100-17102003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D782563100-17102003>For a fact, are there any DN =
reporters=20
subscribed to this list?</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D782563100-17102003>Tom Hansen</SPAN></DIV>
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face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=20
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href=3D"mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com">vision2020-admin@moscow.com</=
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[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B><A=20
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href=3D"mailto:DonaldH675@aol.com">DonaldH675@aol.com</A><BR><B>Sent:</B>=
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Thursday, October 16, 2003 4:58 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
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ject:</B>=20
[Vision2020] Flyers<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Dear Visionaries,</DIV>
<DIV>It is rare that I find myself in total agreement with our =
friends from=20
Christ Church. This is one of those occasions. While =
there seems=20
to be some confusion about when or where the anonymous flyers =
appeared, the=20
notion that the DN relied on an unsigned document as a factual story =
basis=20
is very disturbing. I know that some reporters from the DN =
read this=20
list- serv - would any on them care to share their side of the story =
with=20
us? If not, their credibility, it seems to me, is in a much =
more=20
vulnerable position that Doug Wilson's. At least, to =
his credit,=20
regardless of how unpopular or (in my opinion, deliberately=20
inflammatory) he is never ashamed or reluctant to sign his =
name.</DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV>Rose Huskey</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Message: 6
From: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanarnold@hotmail.com>
To: gdickison@moscow.com, mghuskey@hotmail.com, vision2020@moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Jack Hill's Record
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:37:56 -0700
<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV>
<P>I really hope that someone will correct me if I am wrong about Jack Hill's record. But this is what I believe to be true about his record:</P>
<P>1) Voted for the nudity ordinance</P></DIV>
<P>2) Voted for the multimillion dollar gymasium.</P>
<DIV></DIV>
<P>3) Fought to make sure that "Sexual Orientation" was NOT included in Moscow's anti-discrimination laws.</P>
<DIV></DIV>
<P>I could be wrong about this. But this is what I have been told and seen him vote on at my visits to the City Council.</P>
<DIV></DIV>
<P>This may or may not be good news depending on your views of the issues. But if true it should be considered when voting.</P>
<DIV></DIV>
<P>Donovan J Arnold</P>
<DIV></DIV>
<P><BR><BR> </P>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: "Gregory Dickison" <GDICKISON@MOSCOW.COM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>To: "Melynda Huskey" <MGHUSKEY@HOTMAIL.COM>, <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Jack Hill and citizen empowerment
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:19:28 -0700
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Melynda:
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Very well put.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Gregory C. Dickison
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Lawyer & Counselor at Law
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Post Office Box 8846
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>208 South Main #2
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Moscow, Idaho 83843
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>(208) 882-4009
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<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>----- Original Message -----
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: "Melynda Huskey" <MGHUSKEY@HOTMAIL.COM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>To: <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:58 AM
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Jack Hill and citizen empowerment
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > Judy writes:
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >As a reader and (not-frequent) poster to Vision 20/20, I'm afraid I'd be
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >inclined to agree with J. Hill's characterization of V20/20. It does
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >promote
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >polarization. It does give, new readers especially, a skewed view of our
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > >community (refer to postings just this week)
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > The article connected with some thoughts I've been mulling over about
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>Vision
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > 2020 in the last couple of days. I may well be one of the residents Jack
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > was scolding for intolerance and impoliteness; I've certainly posted some
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > sharp words. And that's okay with me. But I disagree that our listserv
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > "fuels" polarization.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > The polarization(s) pre-existed the listserv. People with mutually
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > incompatible worldviews, dozens of them, live in Moscow. Our peaceful
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > co-existence cannot depend on our local government, or on citizens
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > preserving a smiling failure to communicate.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > Vision 2020 focuses a certain element of our community--it's certainly not
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > representative of all of Moscow--and has fostered some conversations that
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > would probably not have happened otherwise. They haven't always been
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > pleasant conversations, but they have sometimes been useful, it seems to
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>me.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > We also represent a lot of different discourse communities. Academics,
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > lawyers, theologians, and politicians spend their working lives arguing.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>We
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > expect passionate dispute, and we generally enjoy it. Other discourse
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > communities experience that kind of conversation as painful,
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>inappropriate,
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > or pointless. We have different ethical understandings of the value of
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > speaking up or remaining silent. And we have different degrees of
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > confidence in our own contributions--some of us (like me) may feel
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > over-empowered about sharing, while others hang back who could offer
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > something of value.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > I think our community needs more conversation, not less--and I don't think
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > we always need to smile.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > Melynda Huskey
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > Go, said the bird, for the leaves were full of children,
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > Hidden excitedly, containing laughter.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > Go, go, go, said the bird: human kind
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > Cannot bear very much reality.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>> > Burnt Norton, T.S. Eliot
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