[Vision2020] Moscow Planning and Zoning Agenda Wed 5/28
Barbara Richardson
edc@moscow.com
Wed, 28 May 2003 11:20:55 -0700
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Bill,
If you will review the original intent of Alturas it was designed to give
local tech business options to stay in Moscow. Alturas was Phase II of
technology transfer from the University of Idaho and WSU. In fact, AHA was
the "poster child" for Alturas. The original and current RTO Zoning allows
business office space. There has been no change. If Mark Cook taught us
one thing it was to deal in facts. So let's present facts.
1. Talk with the owners of Eastside - The recognized the influx of people
and dollars that Alturas would bring. The Eastside Marketing relies heavily
on the proximity to Alturas. And remember the bonds from Alturas, also paid
for the turn lane on Highway, extended high-speed internet access to the
entire area. This investment encouraged the development of state office
building; banks; retailers; etc.
2. See fact number 1
3, 4 and 5 - You didn't present a valid argument
Please go to the City web-site and review the orginal and current RTO
zoning. What the public thought and what was actually adopted by the City
Council, may be different. Business owners should not penalized for fully
utilizing the existing zoning.
Barbara Richardson Crouch
Latah Economic Development Council
121 Sweet Ave.
Moscow, Idaho 83843
(208) 885-2832
(208) 885-3803 (fax)
edc@moscow.com
www.moscow.com/edc
-----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-admin@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]On
Behalf Of Bill London
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:47 AM
To: bjswan@moscow.com; Vision2020
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Moscow Planning and Zoning Agenda Wed 5/28
BJ and all....
You are mixing apples and oranges in your attack on my posting.
When Alturas was pitched to the citizens of Moscow years ago, it was as a
tech park to lure new businesses to stay in Moscow. As were many others, I
was convinced then that it was worth a try.
However, that is not what it has become. I am glad that several high tech
businesses have located there, providing jobs, tax money etc. What I have
repeatedly complained about is the transformation of that tech park into a
professional mall (with offices for attorneys, accountants, and now possibly
a day care center).
I am sure that building a whole new town and a wide collection of retail and
professional businesses there would be great fun for the people who work
there.
But that is not what the taxpayers of Moscow were promised in exchange for
their tax support of Alturas. It is also a little problematic in terms of
sprawl and downtown loss.
And, even if I don't own a calculator, I will try to respond to the
questions you raise:
-Remember, Eastside Marketplace was a sore-eye, in foreclosure and
18% occupied when Alturas began.
Yes, I remember Eastside Marketplace was a loser then, but I do not think
Alturas had anything to do with its turnaround. More likely, the new owners
and their infusion of capital, plus a rebound in local economy made it
happen. BL
-Remember, the tax assessed value of the Urban Renewal District has
increased about $8 million dollars since 1996. Do you seriously believe it
would have increased that much without Alturas and the jobs it created?
The district is a large area (including Tidymans and the Eastside Mall
etc). Again Alturas is a small part of that increase.
BL
-Remember, there are about 70 jobs in Alturas that pay over $3
million dollars in salaries every year. Salaries to people who live in
Moscow, pay taxes here, spend money here.
As noted above, I think hightech jobs in Moscow are great. Does that have
anything to do with diluting the park concept with non-tech office
businesses? BL
-Remember, several of the businesses in Alturas derive revenue solely
from outside of Moscow, not recycled but NEW money that comes into the
community and stays here.
See previous answer BL
-Remember, Alturas contributed about $35,000 in tax money to Moscow
School District last year, not counting the state payment to schools for the
children of Alturas employees (possibly another $150,000). Would you, as a
taxpayer, like to pay higher taxes to the school district if Alturas was not
here? Taxpayer subsidy by whom??
See previous answer. BL
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D093260318-28052003><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff>Bill,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093260318-28052003><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093260318-28052003><FONT color=3D#0000ff>If you will =
review the=20
original intent of Alturas it was designed to give local tech business =
options=20
to stay in Moscow. Alturas was Phase II of technology transfer =
from the=20
University of Idaho and WSU. In fact, AHA was the "poster child" =
for=20
Alturas. The original and current RTO Zoning allows business =
office=20
space. There has been no change. If Mark Cook taught us one =
thing it=20
was to deal in facts. So let's present facts.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093260318-28052003><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093260318-28052003><FONT color=3D#0000ff>1. =
Talk with the=20
owners of Eastside - The recognized the influx of people and dollars =
that=20
Alturas would bring. The Eastside Marketing relies heavily on the=20
proximity to Alturas. And remember the bonds from Alturas, also =
paid for=20
the turn lane on Highway, extended high-speed internet access to the =
entire=20
area. This investment encouraged the development of state =
office=20
building; banks; retailers; etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093260318-28052003><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093260318-28052003><FONT color=3D#0000ff>2. See fact =
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1</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093260318-28052003><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093260318-28052003><FONT color=3D#0000ff>3, 4 and 5 - =
You didn't=20
present a valid argument</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093260318-28052003><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093260318-28052003><FONT color=3D#0000ff>Please go to =
the City=20
web-site and review the orginal and current RTO zoning. What the =
public=20
thought and what was actually adopted by the City Council, may be=20
different. Business owners should not penalized for fully =
utilizing the=20
existing zoning.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093260318-28052003><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D093260318-28052003>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Barbara Richardson</FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>=20
Crouch</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Latah Economic Development =
Council</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>121 Sweet Ave.</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>Moscow, Idaho 83843</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>(208)=20
885-2832</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(208) 885-3803 =
(fax)</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>edc@moscow.com</FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>www.moscow.com/edc</FONT> </P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
vision2020-admin@moscow.com=20
[mailto:vision2020-admin@moscow.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Bill=20
London<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:47 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
bjswan@moscow.com; Vision2020<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Moscow =
Planning and Zoning Agenda Wed 5/28<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>BJ and all.... =
<BR>You=20
are mixing apples and oranges in your attack on my posting. <BR>When =
Alturas was=20
pitched to the citizens of Moscow years ago, it was as a tech park to =
lure new=20
businesses to stay in Moscow. As were many others, I was convinced =
then=20
that it was worth a try. <BR>However, that is not what it has =
become. I am=20
glad that several high tech businesses have located there, providing =
jobs, tax=20
money etc. What I have repeatedly complained about is the =
transformation=20
of that tech park into a professional mall (with offices for attorneys,=20
accountants, and now possibly a day care center). <BR>I am sure that =
building a=20
whole new town and a wide collection of retail and professional =
businesses there=20
would be great fun for the people who work there. <BR>But that is not =
what the=20
taxpayers of Moscow were promised in exchange for their tax support of=20
Alturas. It is also a little problematic in terms of sprawl and =
downtown=20
loss. <BR>And, even if I don't own a calculator, I will try to respond =
to the=20
questions you raise:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE"> <SPAN class=3D537540105-28052003><FONT=20
face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1> -Remember, Eastside =
Marketplace=20
was a sore-eye, in foreclosure and 18% occupied when Alturas=20
began. </FONT></FONT></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D-1></FONT></FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1>Yes, I remember Eastside =
Marketplace was a=20
loser then, but I do not think Alturas had anything to do with its=20
turnaround. More likely, the new owners and their infusion of =
capital,=20
plus a rebound in local economy made it happen. BL</FONT></FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <SPAN class=3D537540105-28052003><FONT=20
face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1> -Remember, the tax =
assessed value=20
of the Urban Renewal District has increased about $8 million dollars =
since=20
1996. Do you seriously believe it would have increased that much =
without=20
Alturas and the jobs it created? </SPAN></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1></FONT></FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1>The district is a large area =
(including=20
Tidymans and the Eastside Mall etc). Again Alturas is a small part of =
that=20
increase.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D-1>BL</FONT></FONT>=20
<BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <SPAN=20
class=3D537540105-28052003><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D-1> =20
-Remember, there are about 70 jobs in Alturas that pay over $3 million =
dollars=20
in salaries every year. Salaries to people who live in Moscow, =
pay taxes=20
here, spend money here.</FONT></FONT></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1></FONT></FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1>As noted above, I think hightech =
jobs in=20
Moscow are great. Does that have anything to do with diluting =
the park=20
concept with non-tech office businesses? BL</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3DArial><FONT=20
size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <SPAN =
class=3D537540105-28052003> =20
<FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1>-Remember, several of the =
businesses in Alturas=20
derive revenue solely from outside of Moscow, not recycled but NEW =
money that=20
comes into the community and stays here.</FONT></FONT></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1></FONT></FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1>See previous answer =
BL</FONT></FONT>=20
<BR><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1></FONT></FONT> <SPAN=20
class=3D537540105-28052003><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D-1> =20
-Remember, Alturas contributed about $35,000 in tax money to Moscow =
School=20
District last year, not counting the state payment to schools for the =
children=20
of Alturas employees (possibly another $150,000). Would you, as =
a=20
taxpayer, like to pay higher taxes to the school district if Alturas =
was not=20
here? Taxpayer subsidy by whom??</FONT></FONT></SPAN><FONT=20
face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1></FONT></FONT>=20
<P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D-1>See previous answer.=20
BL</FONT></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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